tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post8196148257922141804..comments2023-08-14T11:44:27.299-04:00Comments on Jeremiah's<br> Vanishing New York: Harlem's 125th St.Jeremiah Mosshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11791516443125872364noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-46513528970521471342008-04-11T10:31:00.000-04:002008-04-11T10:31:00.000-04:00I don't think that the term "gentrification" perta...I don't think that the term "gentrification" pertains to just white middle- middle upper class people anymore. There are black middle class college graduates moving into Harlem, who are from the suburbs of regions outside New York state. They're used to sushi and shopping malls- and have never eaten soul food in their lives. <BR/><BR/>These black people are very comfortable with seeing HM and the other mall stores opening up on 125th street. They enjoy the fact that they don't have to take the subway to go to these places anymore. There is actually a lot more to Harlem than black identity, but since most people in America don't have to know anything about black culture (but everyone has to know everything about white culture)- no one can really see the difference between these blacks and the historical blacks in Harlem.Laurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02475400729099987029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-52569329487270613602007-11-14T22:04:00.000-05:002007-11-14T22:04:00.000-05:00I live in Morningside Heights and have watched thi...I live in Morningside Heights and have watched things change in west Harlem over the past three years. I think its really sad to see this loss of diversity in Manhattan - I wish there was a way to stop it and I admire the folks that are holding ground. I heard recently that the W Hotel has purchased land off 125th and plans to build with rooms renting upwards of $600/night.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-53931026716245201352007-11-09T16:08:00.000-05:002007-11-09T16:08:00.000-05:00rambler, i think the problem is we're not using a ...rambler, i think the problem is we're not using a very good definition of "gentrify," in general. what does this term really mean? it goes back to this idea of the gentry -- wealthy descendants of wealthy families. but now i think it's applied to any college-educated white person, regardless of income or class, who moves into a neighborhood where people are...what? i'm not sure, honestly. <BR/><BR/>so if you don't make enough or have enough money to live in X neighborhood and you move to Y neighborhood because it's affordable, is that necessarily gentrification?<BR/><BR/>if i'm the first person in my family to graduate from college, my family can't afford to give me money, and i make less than or close to the median income for this city, can i be a gentrifier? what if i'm also a person of color? what if i didn't graduate college, but i make more money as something working class, like a plumber?<BR/><BR/>i also think we need another word for what's happening in this city. it goes way beyond gentrification. i'm thinking it's what happens AFTER gentrification--or else it's closer to the original meaning of the word.Jeremiah Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11791516443125872364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-36578631076944798692007-11-09T14:31:00.000-05:002007-11-09T14:31:00.000-05:00thanks--i added the update to the penn hotel postthanks--i added the update to the penn hotel postJeremiah Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11791516443125872364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-32220548227182325142007-11-09T13:47:00.000-05:002007-11-09T13:47:00.000-05:00Maybe some good news?http://curbed.com/archives/20...Maybe some good news?<BR/><BR/>http://curbed.com/archives/2007/11/09/hotel_pennsylvania_gets_another_landmarking_nod.phpL'Emmerdeurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03004040303058104490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-71572543943867420712007-11-09T10:13:00.000-05:002007-11-09T10:13:00.000-05:00I guess the real problem is that for people who ar...I guess the real problem is that for people who are priced out of what were once reasonable neighborhoods, where should they go?<BR/><BR/>I don't want to gentrify (frankly, I think I'm too old for that term anyway). I live on the Upper West Side, I'm lucky. My place is rent stablized. But if I switch careers or something happens, I'll be scrambling and suddenly that studio on 140th and Amsterdam will seem like a pretty good deal. <BR/><BR/>It's the trickle-down theory or, as I prefer to call it, the shit runs downhill theory. <BR/><BR/>Problem is, at the end of the trickle, someone is left without an umbrella. I don't have an answer to any of this. Like to know your thoughts.Ramblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06013882107711818025noreply@blogger.com