tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post5676674363628809025..comments2023-08-14T11:44:27.299-04:00Comments on Jeremiah's<br> Vanishing New York: Eagle Under SiegeJeremiah Mosshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11791516443125872364noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-25157855873939861682013-07-20T16:16:00.285-04:002013-07-20T16:16:00.285-04:00let me address the issue of straight girls "i...let me address the issue of straight girls "invading" gay bars. (i dont mean going w/a gay friend, you know like the occassional fag hag). women fought to get into all male bars. (straight bars). they won, i think the decision was UNconstitutional. as each private business has a right to cater to their clientele. (female, male, mixed, lesbian, homosexual, families w/children, or all mixed together). choice w/options is what "made" (past tense) american great. lets move on to fringe groups who want "in". like transgenders in dorm bathrooms, being openly gay while teaching public school. you can thank radical feminists, gay rights extremists, for all the new laws. what goes around comes around. be careful what you wish for, it will come back & bite you. yes indeed it has. soon the girls will be right there w/you in the "backroom". someday all of us will have to go underground to have some privacy. hmmm........lauranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-55761260309676614382013-07-19T14:58:09.156-04:002013-07-19T14:58:09.156-04:00OOOOH! Fancy new building/neighbors for lucky ri...OOOOH! Fancy new building/neighbors for lucky rich gay men to enjoy both the building the the short walk to The Eagle.<br /><br />http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/07/17/new_renderings_of_zaha_hadids_swooping_high_line_condo.phpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-50544201182127074012011-07-12T11:18:44.658-04:002011-07-12T11:18:44.658-04:00It's happening on the LES too. "anonymou...It's happening on the LES too. "anonymous" complained that it wasn't. on weekend nights we have road blocks, random car stops, klieg lights turned on at 2 am, police harassment, and just last week a police initiated brawl outside a bar resulting in 30 lawsuits against the city. oh, and it was all black people who got beat down with nightsticks in that melee. the police are trying to close the existing bars because all the hotels moving in need their liquor licenses. the police are working for the property developers and actively pushing out established businesses, resulting in lost tax revenue, and people put out of work. neighborhoods are losing their long time residential and business base and replaced with transient people and stores. soon, there will be no there there. at the same time that some bars are incessantly targeted and harassed, other nearby bars go unscathed. who is choosing who gets to stay and who gets to go? why is the comm board silent? why does the police capt say he wants to work with the bars, but takes every action, legal or not to ticket them, decrease revenue, and harass patrons and passersby? this is the dark side of democracy. after all, who you gonna believe in court? it's the cops word against the business owner. what will the long term effect be for the city? will it still remain a cultural capital? or more a real estate capital? with the choices the powers that be make, other things are excluded. perhaps this is the life span of great cities. i moved here when it was bankrupt, cheap, dangerous, and fun. now things are different, an upswing has been going on for quite some time now. too bad that means kicking people to the gutter, instead of benefits for all. you could call it competition, except for the fact that these bars are easy targets because they are licensed, and vulnerable to attack by forces that use these vulnerabilities to their advantage. can't fight city hall. or can you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-89453515712255291472011-07-10T18:02:18.305-04:002011-07-10T18:02:18.305-04:00i remember NYC from 50 yrs ago etc. since i was bo...i remember NYC from 50 yrs ago etc. since i was born there way before that. ALWAYs the tourists & weekenders would go to the village to look around. west 8th street changed around early 60s, mac dougal/bleeker area after mid 60s. because instant media like internet, places get tourists faster. would would take 20 yrs, now could be 4 yrs. get it??? nothings changed except the speed. development has always been around. trends change. long island was developed first. at one time this was beautiful country. then malls highways housing etc. now the trend is to live in a city, now thats being "developed". & women are in the work force so they need to be in the manhattan/boston, also being single is now a lifestyle. in additional morals/attitudes have changed via media. this took 40 yrs! "gay" is cool what ever. "black" is cool what ever.... so now its all OK & entertaining, before these things were a no no. these cultures were un known even in my neigborhood in brooklyn. SO, the faster the media is, the faster things are "chased". everyone now loves a peep show. dont forget cheap air fares!! i paid the same fare for europe in 1967 as you do in 2011. people who took greyhound to NYC now can fly. also there are less boundaries than there were in the 1950s/1960s/70s. again its cultural shifts plus the internet, global corporate take over, off shore $$ being poured into NYC etc, now you have what you have. bloomburg is a small player. dont be stupid & think its about a TV show.lsrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-27866849331745878912011-07-10T16:22:54.177-04:002011-07-10T16:22:54.177-04:00For the first time in my life, it has been buildin...For the first time in my life, it has been building up and I no longer love NYC. I am packing up and getting my place ready to sell. The West Village has completely lost it's charm. No more Mad Monk, Game Show. Now the St. Vincent's fiasco. Gay bashings! So SO SAD!NatveNYrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-37205039827169115172011-07-06T01:11:03.668-04:002011-07-06T01:11:03.668-04:00P.S. Footstud : In my opinion, gays themselves are...P.S. Footstud : In my opinion, gays themselves are the culprits here too though. Where NYC used to attract gay men like Hart Crane (writing brilliant poetry but also coming home with black eyes after pursuing dockworkers and writing "How I am stalked by lust these dog days.."), Cole Porter, Jasper Johns, it now attracts cookie-cutter gays who wear rainbow T-shirts and have never had one original thought in their heads, except that they think they're somehow more glamorous now because they moved to Manhattan. They are in love with the idea of that more than anything, the idea of being a "NYC gay" more than really loving the city or ever being able to understand it. Which goes for a lot of the types who ruined Manhattan (like no real artists anymore, only people who like to fantasize that "now I'm a NYC artist")Joeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17439628067348828822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-16066153553799064622011-07-06T01:02:32.496-04:002011-07-06T01:02:32.496-04:00FootStud : I agree with you greatly. Manhattan wil...FootStud : I agree with you greatly. Manhattan will just be the big dull vanilla business headquarters. However, I think "Bridge & Tunnel people" (though I think that was a snooty attitude to begin with)will refer only to Manhattan people. Staten Island, NJ, Conn. and Long Island (not just Brooklyn and Queens) can be genuinely edgy too, and we'll see more leaving Manhattan on Saturday nights to go party in those places. -Joe (born, bred in NYC)Joeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17439628067348828822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-40765511769670731812011-07-05T22:03:09.249-04:002011-07-05T22:03:09.249-04:00Someone above mentioned that NY has become the Mag...Someone above mentioned that NY has become the Magic Kingdom. Close: Manhattan is become the Tragic Kingdom. Let's call it like it is: The NY f>ing Times is no longer on or even off Times Square. Who's the biggest tenant? Disney! It's Disney Square -- that's really more accurate, anyway. The intriguing thing about Manhattan is that in many respects its becoming increasingly homogenized, suburbanized, and Upper Eastside-ified. And, while some of these trends have permeated Brookly, the Bronx, and Queens (Staten Island was never not suburbia), there are still large swaths of Bx, Bkn, and Qns where you can still be as poor, crazy, ethnic, artsy, as you want and have wild crazy sex. SO, while relatively less convenient, THEY are the most likely future of edgy culture of any kind, including gay and sex culture. Manhattan will be for Wall Streeters, corporatistas, professionals of the upper class of any ethnicity and sexuality (monogamish, uxorious, 2.1 kids, etc) and the edge has moved east (and we'll see about north to the Bx). SO, now we can see, things have simply shifted: Bridge and Tunnel will refer to those coming from NJ, CT, Staten Island, Long Island - AND MANHATTAN!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11241086123109959824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-47472665946754386782011-07-05T20:50:33.106-04:002011-07-05T20:50:33.106-04:00If you think this is bad, just look at what has ha...If you think this is bad, just look at what has happened to the annual Gay Prode Pareade in the past four years. Kicked off of Christopher Street, and later kicked out of the West Side riverfront, and later kicked out of the Greenwich Street Avenue, and now transplanted to a small two block area at Hudson Street that nobody even wants to attend, the gay community has to find a way of uniting and taking a stand.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-1859595868412699362011-07-04T23:43:49.654-04:002011-07-04T23:43:49.654-04:00I have been dismayed and disgusted by the directio...I have been dismayed and disgusted by the direction the city has been moving for a long time. The Disney-fication of Times Square was enough for me. <br />Truthfully, I am surprised the Eagle has survived in that white-washed environment for as long as it has. <br /><br />I have been thinking for a while that it is time for the Leather scene to go back underground. If for no other reason than to get rid of the fashion show people.<br /><br />As a New Yorker, born and bred, I hate to see how the city is going, but I guess time rolls on and things change. :(Lizahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14171589814526361091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-10310208695687120172011-07-04T17:32:19.957-04:002011-07-04T17:32:19.957-04:00I thought NYC was the most open minded city in the...I thought NYC was the most open minded city in the world...LOL...gay life is not allowed according to the dirtiest mayor ever...but it is ok to cheat on wives left and right and have corruption....typical double standard...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-65881881600947327802011-07-04T16:18:11.740-04:002011-07-04T16:18:11.740-04:0010 days after the raid at The Eagle, the owner of ...10 days after the raid at The Eagle, the owner of the club cancelled the popular independently produced FootMenNYC parties which had been happening at the club first on Mondays, and then Tuesday nights. <br /><br />The FootMenNYC parties, which consistently brought in between 100-130 guys on an otherwise slow night.<br /><br />It is clear that The Eagle is under siege by the Bloombergs, and is in for the fight of it's life. It will be interesting to see what happens to The Eagle and the other 'pleasure' businesses on that block.Peterhttp://www.FootMenNYC.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-7153506746242924122011-07-04T07:21:51.081-04:002011-07-04T07:21:51.081-04:00Christine Quinn the current Speaker of the New Yor...Christine Quinn the current Speaker of the New York City Council, which is among the most powerful positions in city government after the Mayor. The Eagle falls within her District 3. We should seek her support.Tom Irizarrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-74812751651923602722011-06-30T18:32:17.287-04:002011-06-30T18:32:17.287-04:00Sad post. Manhattan is such a bore now. Even the s...Sad post. Manhattan is such a bore now. Even the suburbs of NJ and Long Island have more of an electric feel and nighttime excitement (even danger) that Manhattan doesn't. Manhattan is just for executives and doctors to live close to the office and school trips to museums.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-69057018213626441022011-06-29T13:20:57.071-04:002011-06-29T13:20:57.071-04:00The Eagle is in for a hell of a fight. It's al...The Eagle is in for a hell of a fight. It's all about money. The developers are the culprits more than Bloomberg. They will use any means available to oust their unmarketable neighbor. The Eagle will need to fight back with close scrutiny/photos of every minute detail of what the developers do across the street. There will be all the usual inevitable infractions and lack of permits. The Eagle must bring these to the city until the developer will see that it is better to strike a deal with the Eagle.Tony Adamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10091330901996916966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-9424806919301317922011-06-29T10:51:41.734-04:002011-06-29T10:51:41.734-04:00I think Folsom went a step too far this year. I a...I think Folsom went a step too far this year. I am no prude, and I love Folsom as much as the next and in years past, on a nice warm night, when it wasn't Folsom, have stripped off all my clothes and walked that block back and forth for the kink of it, so that's who I am. I think the porn guys mocked the tourists and the surprise inspection was retaliation for that. The message was "behave yourselves this weekend", because the weekend was Pride. <br /><br />I agree they're trying to push us out, but it's economics, not homophobia. Look at Jersey City, it was all gay and LOADED with dungeons to play in. Now it's loaded with kids.<br /><br />If the Eagle is pushed out, maybe it can find a home on the other side of 11th on 30th or 29th. Then another building will go up and it'll move again.<br /><br />Look, bodegas are being destroyed by Whole Foods taking their corner, is that Hispanic Discrimination?<br /><br />NYC of the 70s has long been dead, but there's still nooks and cranny's to play in.Rob from Jersey Citynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-13921384842630988532011-06-28T22:29:34.167-04:002011-06-28T22:29:34.167-04:00Speaking as someone who has lived in both, I can s...Speaking as someone who has lived in both, I can say New Orleans and San Francisco are facing the same forces of being converted into some processed food replica of their former selves.<br /><br />Is this just evolution? Did the dinosaurs turn to each other and grouse "I liked it better before the stupid comet."? Maybe. Still sucks.mrpeeneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05206554819014030083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-31897701423413455432011-06-28T21:58:54.990-04:002011-06-28T21:58:54.990-04:00Yes, Jaques has always tried SO FRIGGIN' HARD ...Yes, Jaques has always tried SO FRIGGIN' HARD to be a good neighbor during the Yunnie invasion. First, they closed at 2, then they were forced to close at midnight - and now the Yunnies are trying to get them to close even <br />earlier or simply close altogether. I think part of what pisses me off so much, Jeremiah, is that these days the wretched frat boys and girls have SO MANY CHOICES of where to go in our cities. Life today caters to them. Why would they even bother to seek-out an old drag bar?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-46815817221988868942011-06-28T21:07:24.397-04:002011-06-28T21:07:24.397-04:00i remember Jacques. now they have this notice on t...i remember Jacques. now they have this notice on their website: "please remember to keep the noise level down, and to be courteous and respectful to our neighbors upon arrival to and departure from the establishment." <br /><br />and there's this: http://www.bostonbachelorette.com/nightclubs/jacques-cabaret-boston.htm<br /><br />the screaming bachelorettes took over drag bar Lucky Cheng's in the East Village, too. <br /><br />and here's what someone wrote about Jacques on Yelp: "This place is a sad reminder of what Boston once was - a city that had diverse nightlife instead of what we have now (yuppie martini lounges that are clones of the superior New York boites; bogus Mcirish bars that cater to the A & F college elites; even more bogus bridge/tunnel bars that attract commuter-rail ticketholders that enjoy a gin and tonic at 6 o'clock)"<br /><br />sounds familiar. argh. well, if i was writing about Boston, i'd write about this.Jeremiah Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11791516443125872364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-73328869721767945412011-06-28T20:52:21.705-04:002011-06-28T20:52:21.705-04:00Hi Jeremiah. Thanks for the reply. I only posted a...Hi Jeremiah. Thanks for the reply. I only posted anonymous because I never did this before. My name is Sam. The bar the soccer mom's are fighting SO hard to close In Boston is in the Bay Village section of downtown. It's call "Jaques. Trust me, on any given night it is SO meek and mild-mannered there -- but then the Yunnie bachelorette girls come in and screw everything up on Saturday nights...pissing off the neighbors at 3AM with what I call, "White Girl Howl," I feel like I am up against a wall sometimes -especially when I try to have a conversation about such issues with anyone under 35. They all have the same LAME comment, "Ewwww, why would you prefer the dirt and crime of years ago?' Although unpopular, my response is, "Some element of crime in the air is good because with crime comes fear. And with fear comes respect. And with respect comes folks with thick skins who understand the laws of the big city and have street-smarts and understand not to leave their laptop, Ipad or whatever, bike un-locked.... unlike all the suburban pussies who are seemingly and unfortunately, driving the dominant culture in NYC. (and maybe across America).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-56261833915176688642011-06-28T20:17:21.369-04:002011-06-28T20:17:21.369-04:00thanks, Boston Anon, for that comment, and i'm...thanks, Boston Anon, for that comment, and i'm sorry to hear it's happening there too. seems like i get a lot of comments and emails from around the country, and the world, saying, "it's happening here too." the same descriptions of the same people doing the same things.<br /><br />so Bloomberg is part of something much bigger, something national and throughout the Western world. <br /><br />when i think, "where can i go if i leave New York," there don't seem to be many options.<br /><br />p.s. what drag bar do they want to shut down?Jeremiah Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11791516443125872364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-85835167376760841362011-06-28T19:52:40.756-04:002011-06-28T19:52:40.756-04:00Hi. Been reading your blog for over a year, but on...Hi. Been reading your blog for over a year, but only brought myself to write today because I am just so aggravated and can't take what's happening in NYC anymore. I live in Boston- - in the heart of the city, and the SAME thing is happening here. As a rule I try to spend a long weekend or so in NYC about 3 times a year. I get a nice, affordable, clean room at the West Side YMCA in the UWS. But who knows - maybe as we speak that Y could be closed-down. What I have to tell you is that I don't really like NYC anymore. Every time I go, a few more of my favorite watering holes or mom & pop businesses are gone - only to be replaced by some crowded, scenester sports bar or something jammed with howling, high-fiving, every-other word BRO or DUDE "frat-boy-turned-investment-banker" and their S.A.T.C. over-dressed, overly made-up, silly, vapid, white, puking white girls. I don't know where to go anywhere to sit and have a cheap cocktail, listen to juke box music, have relaxed conversation with a stranger or just sit and watch the world go by. When I was in Junior High I remember driving down 95 to NYC from R.I. to bring my sister to college. There were sights, situations, landscapes, that I had never experienced in my entire life. It was thrilling. Getting off Amtrak at Penn Station in 1974 took my breath away because there was this pulse and energy and all sorts of characters. I remember engaging in conversation at Penn Sta with some dude who was trying to sell me something - until my mom yanked my arm and pulled me away! And now this whole thing about The Eagle really sucks. What about all those Hellish, hedonistic,, trendy, WOO-HOO hollering at 3 AM so-called "hot spots" that are plaguing the LES and so many other neighborhoods aren't targeted by the police for shut-down? Tell me which is more offensive at 3AM........The Eagle, or a bunch of blasted, entitled, screeching, fighting, puking rich kids? In Boston the "Yunnies" are trying to shut-down a 90 year-old drag bar because of noise and "riff raff." Well, I did some research and the found that 96% of police complaints were a result of out-of-control Bachelorette parties who discovered the place and decided to go there so they could proclaim to their friends that they are "edgy" and "cool." I am sick over this. We can't win. Money talksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-51085775125153359782011-06-28T19:15:14.345-04:002011-06-28T19:15:14.345-04:00It is still homophobia on the part of Mayor Bloomb...It is still homophobia on the part of Mayor Bloomberg, the NYPD and the monied real estate interests that pull the strings. To them, the leather community is an embarrassment that is in the way and expendable, just as the gay and bisexual men falsely arrested for prostitution around Manhattan adult video stores in 2008 were expendable as illegitimate evidence gathered in an effort to close those video stores.Robert Pinternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-58272315436574035312011-06-28T18:36:18.501-04:002011-06-28T18:36:18.501-04:00this is the dilemma, Lux. stay or go? it's get...this is the dilemma, Lux. stay or go? it's getting less bearable to live here, but is anyplace else going to be better?<br /><br />i keep hearing things about Berlin.Jeremiah Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11791516443125872364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-45590878110504417982011-06-28T16:10:49.467-04:002011-06-28T16:10:49.467-04:00Bloomberg wants the entire city to look like his a...Bloomberg wants the entire city to look like his apartment building on the Upper East Side. He's trying to turn the entire city into Westchester. Bike paths with no bikes on them, closing off the street to cars, turning 42nd Street into Disneyland, no smoking outdoors anymore. That was just the beginning. He's making it harder and harder for new nightclubs to get cabaret licenses, raiding existing ones for the most ridiculous things. He has no idea why New York is what it is and why people come here. Plus, he sounds like an old Jewish woman. I wish a bike would run him over and kill him.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17227221868852566163noreply@blogger.com