tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post1179694095534302834..comments2023-08-14T11:44:27.299-04:00Comments on Jeremiah's<br> Vanishing New York: The Joneses Are HereJeremiah Mosshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11791516443125872364noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-8455189375245382112010-09-17T16:21:45.916-04:002010-09-17T16:21:45.916-04:00"The difference is that suburbanites have no ..."The difference is that suburbanites have no culture." Hits the nail on the head.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-18471756404895309282008-09-13T13:57:00.000-04:002008-09-13T13:57:00.000-04:00All immigrants to NYC try to re-create their origi...All immigrants to NYC try to re-create their original home there. The difference is that most immigrants add to the city by doing so, because they come from places with actual cultures. Thus we have Jewish immigrants giving us bagels and bookish neuroticism, Italian immigrants giving us pizza, black people from down South giving us jazz, etc. The difference is that suburbanites have no culture. Also, they're rich, so they drive out the people who do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-30372902934663248902008-06-12T11:57:00.000-04:002008-06-12T11:57:00.000-04:00From a comment (I'm sure there'll be more like thi...From a comment (I'm sure there'll be more like this) on Gothamist's version of EV Grieve's posting of the New York magazine's 1984 article on gentrification <I> "I wasn't even born in 1987...<BR/>At least the lack of trains in Alphabet City slows down gentrification.<BR/>The East Village still strikes fear in some people. I was sitting in Tompkins Square Park with a friend last week. He got freaked out by the bums and said he never wanted to come back to Alphabet City. "</I><BR/><BR/>http://gothamist.com/2008/<BR/>6/12/1984.php#commentsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-38486433301655332542008-06-09T00:36:00.000-04:002008-06-09T00:36:00.000-04:00Nick, I’ll have to disagree with you too, for the ...Nick, I’ll have to disagree with you too, for the same reasons as Bob. After all, if the trends of displacement continue unabated, ordinary working people won’t have a significant presence in the urban centers by the time the yunnies’ kids grow up, and they can't assimilate to us if we’re nowhere to be found. <BR/>Still, I too have entertained some hope for the children of these yunnie kids, though not for the same reasons. I myself hope that the culture of total conformity in which they’re bing raised is hopefully setting them up for a dramatic coming-of-age rebellion when they realize the world is not entirely made up of skinny people with valley-girl accents like their parents. Due to the ultra-conservative nature of their parent’s outlook, their rebellion would hopefully be liberal in character, which naturally would make them more amenable to issues of affordability.<BR/>Of course, I know this is all wishful thinking, and I think it would be best not to base our own self-interests on the attitudes of the wealthy. One can hope for the best, but let’s face it–-the whole group hasn’t shown itself to be very sympathetic to our problems these past few years, and I don’t think it would be wise to count on their kids being any different. It would be nice, but I don't think they should be relied on one way or the other.<BR/>Hopefully the whole globalized debt-speculation pyramid that sustains yunnie society will collapse before we have to deal with the kids (the parents are enough for me). <BR/><BR/>Oh Jerry, I nearly forgot. Though I understand the feeling, moving to the suburbs won’t solve anything. After all, gentrification is not merely an urban problem; developments of planned townships of “McMansions” are swallowing up the rural areas and poorer suburbs of this nation with just as much speed as the urban super-development. The problem is not one of location–-daddy’s VISA makes the yunnie extremely mobile–-and as long as they consider gentrification profitable they will actively rove for new locations to make superhip. I’m sorry to say that nothing will be solved by simply moving elsewhere; the danger will still be present. <BR/><BR/>Oh, also, that Craigs List ad should be framed and kept as evidence. Geeze, those yunnie pricks are obnoxious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-75922821219559069862008-06-03T12:46:00.000-04:002008-06-03T12:46:00.000-04:00I'm right there with you, Nick - I'm 22 and share ...I'm right there with you, Nick - I'm 22 and share the same exact sentiments. I envy my elders because I'd much rather hit my prime in any decade besides this blighted one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-35272904376092682582008-06-02T15:59:00.000-04:002008-06-02T15:59:00.000-04:00You may very well be right, bob; I suppose only ti...You may very well be right, bob; I suppose only time will tell.<BR/><BR/>(Honestly, at 23 I'm in the demographic most derided on this site - not that I mind, by the way, as most of my fellow Millennials are quite vapidly obnoxious. I just hope that some of the city that I longed to be a part of in my younger days does not vanish right as I'm hitting the age where I can truly appreciate it)Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12179104102367953170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-73307372546542969022008-06-02T14:21:00.000-04:002008-06-02T14:21:00.000-04:00ok, it's a real craiglist ad, but they've since ch...ok, it's a real craiglist ad, but they've since changed some key items:<BR/><BR/>http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/roo/704094941.html<BR/><BR/>btw, it's a 6-bedroom sharing 1 bathroom. ugh.Jeremiah Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11791516443125872364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-61788128561424821782008-06-02T14:10:00.000-04:002008-06-02T14:10:00.000-04:0010.39, is that CL ad for real? whether it is or no...10.39, is that CL ad for real? whether it is or not, it's a work of art.Jeremiah Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11791516443125872364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-39557193957361973772008-06-02T11:03:00.000-04:002008-06-02T11:03:00.000-04:00I respectfully disagree with your optimistic forec...I respectfully disagree with your optimistic forecast about the children of suburbanites, Nick. The only thing the children of these suburbanite invaders have in common with foreign-born immigrants is their birth beyond the borders of New York City. Real immigrants are hard-working people with character who left their nations of birth to make a better life for themselves here in New York. They teach their children to have respect for the customs and culture of the natives and while keeping some semblance of their old ways more or less want their children to assimilate and embrace the culture of their adopted homeland. This as always been a city of immigrants and while we've all added a little cultural and ethnic spice to the melting pot we have come to embrace our identity as New Yorkers regardless of race, creed, or ethnicity because we've all had to endure the same trials and tribulations that being a real New Yorker entails.<BR/><BR/>The suburbanites are different. Foreign-born immigrants come here to better themselves and the last thing they want is to see their adopted homeland become identical to the place they left in the first place. Not so with these yunnie invaders. On the contrary, their one driving desire is to transform this city into precisely what it was they left - to promulgate their deranged and soulless suburbanite existence so that it devours urban centers they deem unsavory. These aren't humble immigrants coming off the boat to eke out a living. These are affluent people of means with a sense of entitlement. They don't walk the streets of New York hoping to be a part of it, they walk the streets assuming they own it already. This is why I refer to them as fascists. They aren't content with suburban living existing only in the suburbs. They need more and more Lebensraum, if you will, and their ravenous appetite will never be satiated until ever square inch of this and every other city resembles a gated community. These parasites need to be driven from this city before we can ever hope to reclaim it. Their bastard spawn will not embrace New York or its real inhabitants because they're conditioned from day one to believe they're too good for it and for us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-40564269085418459992008-06-02T10:40:00.000-04:002008-06-02T10:40:00.000-04:00Here's an excerpt from a Craig's List roommate ad ...Here's an excerpt from a Craig's List roommate ad (info on the person or persons renting, since my landlord is hiking up the rent.<BR/><BR/>"Interests: Diet Coke, the biz-each, people with boats, people with<BR/>plasma TVs, magnolia cupcakes, Sex And the City, Wii fit, air-conditioned movie theater multiplex, sheeps meadow,<BR/>popcorn, Project Runway, hot boys, hot boys with money, roof deck parties, trampolines, happy hour, and<BR/>Brad Pitt's third leg, if you don't know where it is, you need not<BR/>apply...<BR/><BR/>Dislikes: old ladies, rats on the subway platform, people<BR/>who don't wash their dishes, people who don't like Sex and the City or Gossip Girl, warm cheap beer, burnt hot dogs, drinking orange juice after<BR/>brushing your teeth, water parks, and halitosis"<BR/><BR/>"sometimes i think about moving to the suburbs, which are what they are, to get away from this city, which is becoming what it's not meant to be." -- couldn't have articulated this better. <BR/><BR/>Excellent, excellent post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-66185678533560995382008-06-01T17:47:00.000-04:002008-06-01T17:47:00.000-04:00thanks everyone! i appreciate the kind words. some...thanks everyone! i appreciate the kind words. <BR/><BR/>sometimes i think about moving to the suburbs, which are what they are, to get away from this city, which is becoming what it's not meant to be.<BR/><BR/>but it has its grip on me.Jeremiah Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11791516443125872364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-56357382583979934522008-06-01T08:42:00.000-04:002008-06-01T08:42:00.000-04:00I've been pondering this a lot lately as well - wi...I've been pondering this a lot lately as well - with energy costs skyrocketing and the Age of Oil getting ready to wind down, what will happen to New York (and all our cities, for that matter)? Will the stream of suburban refugees succeed in changing the city into something that's not quite the diverse hustle and bustle that we love or the privatized, sterility they love, and in the end leave no one satisfied?<BR/><BR/>I'm actually a bit more optimistic here (yeah, it's frowned on around here - so sue me ;) ) in that if you consider the cultural shifts of the first generation born to immigrants in this country, they become much more adapted to their new environment and culture. I think (I hope, anyway...) that the children of the suburban immigrants that are only bound to increase as time goes on will see the beauty of the city as we see it. <BR/><BR/>(That is assuming that what we find beautiful and natural about urban life still exists by then...)Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12179104102367953170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-72833417643573012002008-05-31T23:53:00.000-04:002008-05-31T23:53:00.000-04:00great post!!!!!keep up the good work!i'm a fan of ...great post!!!!!<BR/>keep up the good work!<BR/><BR/><BR/>i'm a fan of your site!<BR/><BR/>sincerely,<BR/>ImisstheoldNY!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-87127786127931865302008-05-31T20:29:00.000-04:002008-05-31T20:29:00.000-04:00And at night in their condos more of them hatch fr...And at night in their condos more of them hatch from sticky pods.so_chic_darlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00295857652423777633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-28427447180092457222008-05-31T14:10:00.000-04:002008-05-31T14:10:00.000-04:00Well, on the semi-bright side the whole mortgage m...Well, on the semi-bright side the whole mortgage mess doesn't seem like it's clearing up any quicker.JakeGouldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00133101465071716345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-89516221776282365362008-05-30T21:17:00.000-04:002008-05-30T21:17:00.000-04:00Jeremiah, I usually try to post something thoughtf...Jeremiah, I usually try to post something thoughtful that will perhaps expand a little bit on what you said, but this time I'm gobsmacked. You nailed exactly what and why these SATC chicks and yunnies are doing to destroy New York. I wish I could wake up tomorrow and see no Blue, no Ludlow ("Live like a Rockefeller, party like a rockstar"), and have my neighborhood back for a single day. (If I get to choose, a day that Gertel's is open, please. I really need some onion kichel.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-54980997540419582162008-05-30T16:50:00.000-04:002008-05-30T16:50:00.000-04:00Brilliant post, Jeremiah. I can only hold out hope...Brilliant post, Jeremiah. I can only hold out hope that the tide turns on these suburbanite fascists some time soon and makes them flee our city like their forebears. The one thing we have going for us is that these folks have awfully thin skin (hence their obsession with turning New York into a sterilized gated community). When things hit the skids they'll leave. In the not-too-distant future us real New Yorkers - those of us with an iota of gumption and nerve - will gaze in wonder at the abandoned glass towers and shuttered-up Duane Reades as the decaying ruins of a twisted, evil, dark period in New York's history that was bound to collapse in on itself from day one. Our time will come again, friends. Patience is a virtue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-75409651992444712972008-05-30T15:37:00.000-04:002008-05-30T15:37:00.000-04:00A brilliant post, indeed. Many have felt these thi...A brilliant post, indeed. Many have felt these things you write, but this is the first instance someone has been able to express the concept so succinctly and thoroughly.L'Emmerdeurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03004040303058104490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-43838851440676109122008-05-30T13:37:00.000-04:002008-05-30T13:37:00.000-04:00Brilliant post! As I write, cable news reports ANO...Brilliant post! As I write, cable news reports ANOTHER crane crash. B'berg spoke; testy, testy, a short man OOC. Worker admitted name of game was money, so speed, lack of quality, etc. prevailed. Towers will soon look like dirty glasses from yesteryear's picnic. Yunnies, let go of your suburban fantasies. You object to an old bar but accept hedgefunder shit in your condo lobby. I know, you say it doesn't stink.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-22524942310213123382008-05-30T13:00:00.000-04:002008-05-30T13:00:00.000-04:00This is a great post. I think anyone who has seen...This <I>is</I> a great post. I think anyone who has seen the fabric of their city erased:<BR/>http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2008/05/23/magnolia_madness_haight_pissed_over_yuppification.php<BR/>or been shouldered off a slim city street by a monster SUV can identify with this. Is there any recourse beyond fist shaking? I wonder...<BR/>http://www.flickr.com/photos/telstar/244259689Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-38114854047506483672008-05-30T12:57:00.000-04:002008-05-30T12:57:00.000-04:00Wow...as much as I have been infuriated by all thi...Wow...as much as I have been infuriated by all this, I honestly have never thought about it that way...great post.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11593594127839992383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-173991760059730202008-05-30T11:18:00.000-04:002008-05-30T11:18:00.000-04:00I used to love neighborhoods like Soho and the Wes...I used to love neighborhoods like Soho and the West Village over Times Square (who wouldn't?) but couldn't understand why, over the years, I have begun to shudder at the mere thought of walking pass it to get somewhere. I was ready to dismiss it as a by-product of age but after reading this blog, I now know why. <BR/><BR/>The original allure of these places are no longer there and as you so well put it, Jeremiah, been replaced by something new. This something new is antiseptic, devoid of character or if it has character, is something only accessible to the rich.treshold75https://www.blogger.com/profile/00482665696563527575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-3514043659210303792008-05-30T10:51:00.000-04:002008-05-30T10:51:00.000-04:00your best post ever, bravo mr moss. i felt rage, ...your best post ever, bravo mr moss. i felt rage, sadness and joy at reading so my and many others' thoughts articulated with such poignant words and visuals. long island is not a model to be emulated anywhere, especially not in cities. this is what Dylan was talking about in "Hey Woody Guthrie" when he talked about a new world that's just been born and already feels like its dying. suburbs = change controlled = living deathAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-26649177903580320442008-05-30T09:02:00.000-04:002008-05-30T09:02:00.000-04:00Being proud of moving to the city and thinking the...Being proud of moving to the city and thinking they are cool for doing so when in reality all of the people who actually made the city cool have mostly left and are now gone is sort of like being proud and thinking one is cool by winning an NCAA basketball championship when in reality, most of the best college age basketball players bypass college and turn pro right out of high school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com