tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post9031030875925185828..comments2023-08-14T11:44:27.299-04:00Comments on Jeremiah's<br> Vanishing New York: *Everyday ChatterJeremiah Mosshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11791516443125872364noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-27900848835057014422013-03-04T08:22:40.904-05:002013-03-04T08:22:40.904-05:00I agree with Brendan's comments. Two quick po...I agree with Brendan's comments. Two quick points. First, there has never been a "free market" in real estate in any sense where the term "free market" is still meaningful. The buying and selling of land is always closely controlled by the government, or at least the nobility or oligarchs who might as well be the government. <br /><br />Second, I've always disliked the use of the term "gentrification" to denote any increase in residential property values whatsoever, lumping together the transportation of slums into not-quite-slums, working class areas into middle class areas, middle class areas into wealthy areas, or even wealthy areas into places held exclusively by Russian mafia, in apartments only occupied a few months of the year. The transformation of the South Bronx has nothing whatsoever to do with the transformation of Chelsea, for example, nor does this mean that in a decade the South Bronx will inevitably be exactly like Chelsea,, or that the 00s Chelsea- Meatpacking Area and the 1980s South Bronx are the only alternative urban landscapes, much as some people seem to want that to be the case.<br /><br />Ednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-6920529023446335552013-03-03T13:28:55.465-05:002013-03-03T13:28:55.465-05:00Only a white midwesterner gentrifier would justify...Only a white midwesterner gentrifier would justify and defend the gentrifying of a mostly non-white or immigrant neighborhood. No different than manifest destiny excuse.Crazy Horsenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-64876530950562561882013-03-01T23:31:40.890-05:002013-03-01T23:31:40.890-05:00Thanks, Brendan, for really insightful and instruc...Thanks, Brendan, for really insightful and instructive comments.<br /><br />I'd add to your sentence, "It was probably very hard for anyone too imagine in 1961 that cities would ever suffer from being TOO desirable, though," the question, desirable for whom? For the gentrifying class(es), which in those days was (were) fleeing to the suburbs? For the working middle and lower classes? I admire Jacobs because she had a vision of good for/desirable for all, poor, middle, rich, everybody. We're in this together. <br /><br />What complicates this whole issue, I think: among the easy-to-vilify gentrifiers are creative agents for large and good social change: artists, imaginative students of many things, lawyers and doctors and professors who devote themselves in their daily work to people not of their education and advantage. The frustration: so hard to turn that melange to something positive, rather than to stratification, elite power grabs.<br /><br />True in small-town America, too. "Affordable housing" the constant constant. <br />mchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-30862643164438519102013-03-01T10:11:02.778-05:002013-03-01T10:11:02.778-05:00I have a couple of problems with that gentrificati...I have a couple of problems with that gentrification article.<br /><br />One--it suggests that gentrification is a natural, organic process. This understates the degree to which it is aided by policy. In New York you can point to the gradual phase-out of rent regulation through "luxury decontrol" beginning in the 90s and more recently strategic rezoning.<br /><br />Two--it understates the machinations of financial capital and their accompanying violence. I really do not buy that early 00s study (which I have seen cited many times, including in this article) that residents are not displaced from gentrifying neighborhoods. Maybe it was more true then, but to suggest that it has remained true as gentrification is accelerated defies common sense. Whole blocks in Brooklyn have flipped from black to white in a few years. You can find many stories of landlords deliberately neglecting or harassing tenants in order to drive them out. State violence, in the form of hugely increased police presence and harassment targeted at minorities, also plays a big role. Gentrifiers would PREFER to think that they are only part of an inevitable, organic process because they do not want to believe that they are benefiting directly from this violence.<br /><br />Three--it suggests that no neighborhoods have "unslummed" a la Jacobs with a mix of old and new residents. But arguably that is exactly what has happened in the South Bronx, and I'm sure there are other examples. In the case of the South Bronx I think it goes unrecognized because the newcomers are not white.<br /><br />As an aside, I think Jacobs foresaw some of the problems with gentrification more than people give her credit for. The relevant chapters in Death and Life are "The Self-Destruction of Diversity" and "Gradual Money and Cataclysmic Money." It was probably very hard for anyone too imagine in 1961 that cities would ever suffer from being TOO desirable, though.Brendannoreply@blogger.com