tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post8937050312072806274..comments2023-08-14T11:44:27.299-04:00Comments on Jeremiah's<br> Vanishing New York: Talking About GentrificationJeremiah Mosshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11791516443125872364noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-6413730863469667782014-04-28T15:43:45.571-04:002014-04-28T15:43:45.571-04:002 classes. very rich vs very poor (w/drugs crime)....2 classes. very rich vs very poor (w/drugs crime). wealthy folks & those do do their laundry. the middle class in america died or is dying. the govt wants to destroy it, tax it to death, & create a new world. no, im not into consipiracy theories. america as we know it will be gone.laura r.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-19273085476369724092014-04-27T13:30:45.722-04:002014-04-27T13:30:45.722-04:00What exactly is his definition of "middle cla...What exactly is his definition of "middle class"? Maybe he can start explaining why people who live in Queens and Brooklyn neighborhoods are now being pushed out by luxury development. Places like Astoria, Woodside, Jackson Heights, were considered solid middle class neighborhoods, not crime ridden or neglected places in need of being rescued. They weren't magnets for artists or artisanal food shops Developers are buying every lot available, all with plans for luxury housing. Even in places like Rego Park and Elmhurst. Brooklyn has become a brand name. <br /><br />People displaced from these neighborhoods can't be accused of being nostalgic for a neighborhood full of drugs and crime. What will be the "hyper gentrification" is good for everyone excuse be for them?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-86226038622632955522014-04-23T14:00:50.454-04:002014-04-23T14:00:50.454-04:00Will a city like New York which I believe has neve...Will a city like New York which I believe has never had such a concentration of wealth in its history ever be vulnerable to the same or similar threats which brought it too near bankruptcy in the circa 1970. A financial scandal or market crash which would make the 1929 crash seem like a downturn could happen since little has changed to prevent such a financial disaster. As more of the city's wealthiest "residents" are foreign citizens with the ability to move on quickly and divest themselves of their interest and investments here what would this mean for real-estate, banking and luxury services which presently reap the benefits of servicing this "New Yorker"?<br /><br />Personally what troubles me past the lighting fast gutting of neighborhoods and it population is what has put in place. Corporate restaurants, corporate stores and bank branches are not the services that make up a healthy neighborhood. Someday soon will I have to travel from the East Village to Chelsea to visit Home Depot as the only hardware store below 34th street? Will laundry shops be able to pay the new rents in the East Village or will they have to shut. Many newly purchased and renovated tenement buildings still do not have laundry facilities even though a one bedroom apartment can have a rent of $3000. What about the biggest generator of the middle class in America, the family owned business. Will there be any room or affordable space left for non-corporate businesses? The answers are not easy and perhaps there is no slowing this current gentrification surge unless greed again creates its own undoing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-43500353553168484582014-04-22T23:23:16.778-04:002014-04-22T23:23:16.778-04:00chinatowns are usually poor neighborhoods. they ha...chinatowns are usually poor neighborhoods. they have the best produce you can find. just blew the poverty vs whole foods debate out the window. you dont need whole foods to eat well. you can do fine w/vegs, some fish, chicken & fruit. a decent bread. they also sell tofu & sometimes japanese miso (the one w/out the alcohol). how cool is that? very cool, & very cheap. though i like the idea of getting a piece of cooked salmon to go, or a piece of gluten free cake, i dont need "frills". i dont need a cloth bag that says earthe day. laura r.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-19371457027105395712014-04-22T18:57:08.006-04:002014-04-22T18:57:08.006-04:00Blah blah blah. People with more money displace th...Blah blah blah. People with more money displace those with less. All these efforts to draw distinctions between gentrification and hyper-gentrification strike me as an attempt to salve the progressive consciences of those who opened this ugly can of worms...Carola Von H.http://mondoqt.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-24559638857561816402014-04-21T21:25:40.828-04:002014-04-21T21:25:40.828-04:00A solid interview J.M. But a few things stand out...A solid interview J.M. But a few things stand out in my little opinion.<br />-On Food Distribution: In "food desert" neighborhoods where there is little access to healthy produce, we can all learn from Cornell University's Extension program that provides a model for getting farm fresh food from the fields to the tables. Cornell is a "Land Grant" University and part of their obligation is to provide solutions that address Social Impact Issues in poor neighborhoods across NY State. They have a program called "Market Makers" that helps farmers upstate by creating a distribution system where trucks are dispatched and delivers (to a central location in Bronx, Brooklyn, Syracuse, Buffalo, etc). Cornell works with Community Groups, Neighborhood Organizations and Churches and trains them on how to operate Farm Stands. From the individual distribution points the Organizations only need to send a van to pick up and purchase their neighborhood's produce for the stand.<br />-I use this example because it is a clear alternative to high priced Whole Foods or some other dwindling options available.<br />-I also use this example because other Universities should be picking up on what Cornell is doing through it's Land Grant status (they also fund Food and Finance HS in Hell's Kitchen). Universities in this cities are major contributors to displacement and "Hyper Gentrification". I have often said they are REITs with kids running around them. They, being tax exempt, have a responsibility to become more of a community leader or solution provider, instead of a community problem. <br />-Academic studies are one thing, actionable and tangible leadership is quite another. Time to put theorists to work in our communities.<br />Secondly, this gentleman is from Toronto. Few cities in North America has been scarred by "Hyper Gentrification" than his city. Clearly he has perspective on how speed and rapid gentrification can lead us down a slippery slope. I agree with his statements on housing and "Housing Banks".<br />-From a parochial point, the income and opportunity gap is killing NYC's working class. As disparity widens, so does opportunity. We need to address this issue (from the stand point of the rich alone, a service economy is not sustainable if they displace the servers). All options should be on the table or this city is truly F%$*ed. This applies to housing, education and transportation in particular and not just jobs. <br />-As for the "Entitled" class of people now discovering Cities and embarking upon their "Urban Breeding Adventures"... Nothing surprises me anymore... I am at a loss...<br />But, again, great interview... Thank you for that!!!<br />Tim Schreier<br />NYCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-22027177195666440832014-04-21T20:09:54.382-04:002014-04-21T20:09:54.382-04:00Maybe a little historical distance will confer ont...Maybe a little historical distance will confer onto Mr. Schlichtman some greater urgency about the situation we face. We are being taken over by a new permanent aristocracy of money. This is not like any previous change over.<br /><br />Suppose Marie Antoinette, grown bored with her life at Le Petit Trianon, wanted some of the views and horizons of a less rural life and asked Louis to bulldoze huge sections of Brooklyn, LES, the Village and points north for her several gigantic palaces. Driven under were the thousands of peasants, locksmiths, shoe repairers, seamstresses, fish and meat mongers, artisans, etc. who stood in their way.<br /><br />It glittered real good when they were all done. <br /> <br />When the peasantry raised a hue and cry, Marie was heard to remark on a very serious sunday morning talk show---"Oh, let them eat cupcakes."<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-84793446104655549412014-04-21T19:27:53.832-04:002014-04-21T19:27:53.832-04:00Anon. 6:37- They are moving into the malls, in thi...Anon. 6:37- They are moving into the malls, in this case the new Mall of America called New York City.Caleonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-30598781339220134702014-04-21T19:07:27.928-04:002014-04-21T19:07:27.928-04:00The great irony here is that many of the recent ar...The great irony here is that many of the recent arrivals are trying to re-create the very environment they wanted to move away from. Walterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06416518509228779720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-26762576453886645932014-04-21T18:37:46.571-04:002014-04-21T18:37:46.571-04:00Philip MCG Rogers--If they aren't liking the b...Philip MCG Rogers--If they aren't liking the burbs then they should stop trying to recreate them in New York City. <br /><br />They seem to want malls wherever they go: If they want malls---why don't they move into *them*?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-64168416237008300882014-04-21T14:23:15.890-04:002014-04-21T14:23:15.890-04:00Gentrification is a complicated subject.
But give...Gentrification is a complicated subject.<br /><br />But given the economic/political forces at work (and not only in NYC,) the real estate market<br />is just out of control. Without the protections of homeownership, rent-regulation, or other housing benefits, <br />ordinary working people will continue to struggle to find an affordable place to live in this city.<br /><br />I can only speak for myself.<br />The creative arrivals I knew back in the 80s were very different from today's newcomers.<br /><br />As my grandmother used to say:<br />Money changes everything.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-39726403951524294182014-04-21T12:12:13.932-04:002014-04-21T12:12:13.932-04:00It seems that hyper-gentrification is a result of ...It seems that hyper-gentrification is a result of collusion between city government and the corporate power structure and it decimates neighborhoods not only without “any sense of context” but for the sole motive of profit. The “arrogance of gentrification” has escalated exponentially from a creative type moving to a neglected neighborhood for cheaper rent to the Bloomberg administration rezoning nearly 40% of NYC in its effort to focus on development (as reported in the NYTimes). Welcome to the new Willetts Point!<br />There’s no better reason for hopelessness and proof of the all consuming power of financial interests than a drive along the West Side Highway to see the ever-spreading blight of yet another Trump apartment building sprouting up along the Hudson - hulking, banal and removed from any real urban interaction. How sad that this irreversible damage was inflicted on our city. Is this really the best we can do with our waterfront?<br />There’s more going on here than being able to buy fresh vegetables or another depressing tale of the demise of a local business due to an unconscionable rent increase that Jeremiah so eloquently catalogues.Egmonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15234800566330932314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-25685704883263221462014-04-21T11:03:04.699-04:002014-04-21T11:03:04.699-04:00Very articulate baloney. His answers for the most ...Very articulate baloney. His answers for the most part strike me as postmodern dissembling and sidestepping of the actual meaning and intention of your questions in too many cases.<br /><br />What we're going through may at this point be basically inevitable but, however well-intentioned, this fellow is simply an apologist for the current condition with more nuanced ways of stating the defense of hypergentrification.JMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09876016557456927299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-73633568115712231452014-04-21T10:59:13.240-04:002014-04-21T10:59:13.240-04:00Supply and demand. Build more cities. People arent...Supply and demand. Build more cities. People arent liking the the burbs. <br /><br />That's one major thing spurring "gentrification".Philip McGregor Rogershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01580740928457414722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-68655143025948835202014-04-21T10:56:37.169-04:002014-04-21T10:56:37.169-04:00Dr. JJS provides a refreshing and much needed bala...Dr. JJS provides a refreshing and much needed balanced approach to the gentrification discussion. I hope more academics, activists, and citizens follow suit. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com