tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post4116960482628015743..comments2023-08-14T11:44:27.299-04:00Comments on Jeremiah's<br> Vanishing New York: What Is Authentically Harlem?Jeremiah Mosshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11791516443125872364noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-68282260257059980282015-05-06T16:06:46.954-04:002015-05-06T16:06:46.954-04:00 Anonymous is very bitter and it shows. These peo... Anonymous is very bitter and it shows. These people come out of the woodwork with venom at the ready when black people speak up. Also, to this person, public housing was not built for minorities. Jewish, Irish and Italians occupied them until the government lifted them out of poverty. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11069605721051948367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-28362347619023417452015-05-06T15:39:33.994-04:002015-05-06T15:39:33.994-04:00Lots of uninformed and angry people posting on thi...Lots of uninformed and angry people posting on this article many who don't have a working knowledge of history. Save Harlem NOW!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11069605721051948367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-22996448615946915692015-03-05T20:31:41.712-05:002015-03-05T20:31:41.712-05:00I too believe in reviving the true history of Harl...I too believe in reviving the true history of Harlem. Let's tear down all the those hideous hi-rise housing projects and replace them with housing for people who want to positively contribute to society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-30495147894926212752015-03-03T12:17:53.306-05:002015-03-03T12:17:53.306-05:00This copied post/article is a joke. Harlem to Par...This copied post/article is a joke. Harlem to Paris, Rome? lol!!!! NYC itself is, because of all of the things that make it up, but Harlem just a part of that, so let's not go overboard. Also, it seems as though this is from someone who seems detached from the area, hanging on to an ideal he believes (wants to believe), and with an angle to publish. I read the student's article, and it is much better articulated with solid points. Not to mention the fact that this almost sounds racist - "these white Harlems were insignificant." What if someone wanted to "preserve white culture" somewhere? That outcry would be loud. Things change....and a bunch of "white stuff" has been demolished all over the city too. Much of the "important" or significant things will all be there, and there will be character throughout Harlem. Talk about history and culture without being demeaning to other races. I don't understand why people can't do this. All races can appreciate the culture and history of an area, but areas also have to move forward. There is a way to write this article and talk about the great history and culture of Harlem without this line of statements....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-19659131405982956172015-03-02T22:26:23.794-05:002015-03-02T22:26:23.794-05:00Did this nitwit really compare Harlem to Paris? Ma...Did this nitwit really compare Harlem to Paris? Maybe Detroit, the former "Paris of the West" would be a more apt comparison. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-88924299785654486192015-03-02T09:56:51.906-05:002015-03-02T09:56:51.906-05:00Very well said John. Thank you.Very well said John. Thank you.Jeremiah Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11791516443125872364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-63321544558206639172015-03-02T09:51:34.210-05:002015-03-02T09:51:34.210-05:00I really appreciate Jeremiah running this blog, an...I really appreciate Jeremiah running this blog, and this post. Michael Henry Adams has been a tireless champion of Harlem's history and cultures, and I think what's being missed in some of the criticism of it is that while New York always undergoes change and while people of different races, ethnicities and religious affiliations have lived all over New York, it is also the case that both New Yorkers and people across the US and globe associate some of its neighborhoods with certain cultures and cultural formations.<br /><br />Harlem has not been a static neighborhood at any point in its history, but it's also true to say that in historical terms and in popular mind, including in NYC--except perhaps for very recent transplants--it is indelibly associated with African Americans and Black people from across the African Diaspora, including African immigrants. This has been true for at least the last century or so. The neighborhood has been the site of many important moments in American and African American culture (and in the case of East Harlem, also Latino culture), and any student of literature knows about the Harlem Renaissance, which was one of the most important 20th century American artistic and cultural movements. So Michael Henry Adams is making an important argument about its transformation.<br /><br />The larger point, though, is the transformation of New York's distinct neighborhoods and cultures into one giant, bland corporatized mall, with chains that can be found everywhere; neighborhood after neighborhood of wealthy condo and homeowners and their children, with nothing to distinguish the city's different parts from themselves or any suburban town anywhere in the US, except for more people; more dirty streets, more noise, higher prices and taxes, and nostalgia for the distinct city--and series of mini-cities--that New York City once was. Who wants that other than wealthy real estate interests, including private not-for-profit universities basically acting like global corporations?John Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08073378940347627766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-1495955325365020312015-03-02T08:48:15.502-05:002015-03-02T08:48:15.502-05:00There's a kind of person who tries to squelch ...There's a kind of person who tries to squelch all disagreement with their point of view by saying, "I'm not outraged because you disagree with me, it's the way you disagree, it's your TONE."<br /><br />Affiliated with this is the person who says "I'm not afraid of change itself; I object to the WRONG kind of change (and I'm the one who gets to define 'wrong' for everyone)."<br /><br />It's all just another way of trying to make the world over into one's desired image. In 50 years, none of it will be remembered.Scouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07860208585189661470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-38036038293848978102015-03-02T07:06:55.200-05:002015-03-02T07:06:55.200-05:00This article was pure non-sense.
Harlem did not st...This article was pure non-sense.<br />Harlem did not start out black and is certainly not black now.<br />Change is the only "authentic"<br />thing about Harlem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-85687667620213174682015-03-01T22:40:57.325-05:002015-03-01T22:40:57.325-05:00Please note Karen Phillips was working for the Sta...Please note Karen Phillips was working for the State Parks Dept on 125th Street...doing what nobody knows, but now she's landed at Homes & Renewal....now, the big question is what does she do there?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-54180002152706767752015-03-01T22:19:00.381-05:002015-03-01T22:19:00.381-05:00Not sure who's insulting who in this thread, b...Not sure who's insulting who in this thread, but the fact is that not all change is the same kind of change.Some change is still human-sized, adapts itself to the pre-existing communities, understands that neighborhoods need to be preserved as their unique cultural selves, and grows up organically from the community itself. Read your Jane Jacobs if you give a damn about the health and longevity of real cities.<br /><br />Yes, the Dutch came in and decimated the ancient Native American settlements that had been here and that was a genocide. No excusing. But does that now make it okay to make every part of the city look like every other part of the city and all of it to look just like downtown Cleveland? <br /><br />Doesn't sound like "change" at all. Sounds like the uniform bland-i-fying of urban life so that everything will be exactly the *same*. <br /><br />Thanks for the post Jeremiah.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-4519999630400353572015-02-28T23:41:08.967-05:002015-02-28T23:41:08.967-05:00walter, 100% correct. he is ignorant, & you kn...walter, 100% correct. he is ignorant, & you know what. but still those universities are just big corporate monsters. the 25 story condos are also a turnoff.laura r.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-38673802314495278612015-02-28T23:33:15.550-05:002015-02-28T23:33:15.550-05:00Take a gander at what they're planning:
http:...<br />Take a gander at what they're planning:<br /><br />http://manhattanville.columbia.edu/<br /><br />Not exactly Low Library.mchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-79099183240155604652015-02-28T03:07:27.703-05:002015-02-28T03:07:27.703-05:00Always love to be educated by a 20 year old first ...Always love to be educated by a 20 year old first year student about what authentic NYC is/was.Walterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06416518509228779720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-1530583357932047382015-02-27T09:16:42.584-05:002015-02-27T09:16:42.584-05:00What to save/preserve and what not to save? And w...What to save/preserve and what not to save? And who to save it for? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-71650434235172007542015-02-27T09:14:28.339-05:002015-02-27T09:14:28.339-05:00The only sure thing about New York City is Change,...The only sure thing about New York City is Change, and one change I look forward to seeing someday is when we can all live together in harmony, rather than in racially segregated pockets, each pocket resenting, hating, and fearing the others.Scouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07860208585189661470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-56156879872328602672015-02-27T01:45:36.670-05:002015-02-27T01:45:36.670-05:00I read the Columbia Spectator op-ed piece:
"...I read the Columbia Spectator op-ed piece:<br /><br />"Ever since New York was founded in the 1600s by Dutch settlers as an outpost for the town of New Amsterdam, Harlem has been continuously redefining its identity."<br /><br />Get your facts straight Zaharia.<br /><br />In 1625 the Dutch West India Company founded New Amsterdam at the southern tip of Manhattan Island as the New Netherland colony’s capital and seat of government. Peter Minuit bought (or swindled, depending on your point of view) Manhattan Island from the Native People. It was not called New York until the British wrested it from the Dutch in 1664. The British called it New York after the city in England. The Dutch did not care what the city was named as long as they could stay there and make money, which they did.<br /><br />Because the writer of the op-ed piece confuses historical fact and dates the existence of New York from the arrival of white people it is a dead giveaway what kind of person is writing this and the kind of mentality. There were Native Americans here first, and just because they did not call the place Harlem, it does not mean that the place did not exist. Patnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-74153956120447202482015-02-26T20:19:59.741-05:002015-02-26T20:19:59.741-05:00Case in point. Look at what NYU wants to do to dow...Case in point. Look at what NYU wants to do to downtown parks.<br /><br />http://www.washingtonsquareparkblog.com/2015/02/25/new-york-states-highest-court-will-hear-case-aiming-to-curtail-nyu-2031-expansion-into-parks-public-spaces/<br /><br />Will Columbia be any different? Maybe the existence of their own small in-house campus will prevent them imposing an artificial campus on what belongs to actual urban dwellers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-84074688916317896062015-02-26T20:09:32.454-05:002015-02-26T20:09:32.454-05:00Shame, shame, shame on Columbia if they do this in...Shame, shame, shame on Columbia if they do this in the same destructive, history-erasing way NYU has behaved in the Village. NYU is not just tearing down the neighborhood but replacing it with some of the ugliest structures this side of hell. I shudder for Harlem.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-32428303052784973592015-02-26T15:54:07.011-05:002015-02-26T15:54:07.011-05:00Why doesn't he just say he wants the white dev...Why doesn't he just say he wants the white devil kept out and be honest about it? Who benefits from NOT developing and improving the neighborhood? I suppose Columbia is an easy target. I suppose Columbia students are selling crack on the corners and committing crimes right? It must be their fault. I guess the Dutch should take back the Bronx because the borough was named after Jonas Bronck? Or what about Brooklyn? Do we say, hey, this area wass all white until after ww2 therefore everyone who is black needs to go back to Alabama? Cities change. Neighborhoods change. Populations change. Maybe if Columbia gave this 'activist' a 'donation' to run his 'nonprofit' he wouldn't be so angry? Keep the area the wonderland it is? Ridiculous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-60005287811074003402015-02-26T11:42:39.617-05:002015-02-26T11:42:39.617-05:00Harlem. Afro-centrism aside, noting that at times...Harlem. Afro-centrism aside, noting that at times people from the actual African continent have settled there, most people think of Harlem and the Harlem Renaissance in the same bubble of reference. Harlem was certainly New York City's (and America's) premier black village, neighborhood, country, and territory. It was so popular that it nevertheless partially thrived on white dollars from Downtown and even from across the country and abroad, as white merry-revelers chose Harlem for their evening entertainments from famous hotspots like The Cotton Club, Pod's & Jerry's, and The Savoy. <br />There was a universal complicity in making Harlem what it was - home, nevertheless, to real communities of prominent black families which constituted a safe atmosphere for the nurturing of some remarkable careers by those either born in Harlem or those who adopted Harlem (as in Duke Ellington). What "authentic" Harlem is all about, as in any great neighborhood, is its best and most enduring memories and stories combined with its physical evidence. 1920's Harlem hasn't been around for quite some time and was the scene, for many years, of true urban neglect, drug addiction, street crime, and general misery - all historical prowess aside. A great Harlem, in this age of homogenization and rampant real estate exploitation, requires the striking of a balance where history is not paved over, where certain wards of Harlem are preserved outright, and where the city's almost unbelievably complex history can be enjoyed, not just lamented because of its erasure from sight. The Columbia changes must be reviewed intelligently.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15565030682360603009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-17246911280033701272015-02-26T11:09:34.230-05:002015-02-26T11:09:34.230-05:00I sympathize. However, having spent the last four ...I sympathize. However, having spent the last four years working at City College -- just north of Columbia's planned expansion -- I'd say there is already little vestige of an African-American community in that part of Harlem. The vast majority of the area is dominated by a Caribbean hispanic population, mostly relatively recent immigrants from the Dominican Republic, who have in their own way created a vibrant and culturally unique community that threatens to be completely eradicated in due time by the new campus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-87427247823269235622015-02-26T09:45:23.139-05:002015-02-26T09:45:23.139-05:00Thanks for re-printing this Jeremiah.
I have a new...Thanks for re-printing this Jeremiah.<br />I have a new voice of reason to listen and learn from.DrBOPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07179469265158025584noreply@blogger.com