tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post3857883051881821641..comments2023-08-14T11:44:27.299-04:00Comments on Jeremiah's<br> Vanishing New York: Taking OverJeremiah Mosshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11791516443125872364noreply@blogger.comBlogger96125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-82599662953215008302017-10-05T20:29:48.154-04:002017-10-05T20:29:48.154-04:00Lately when I ask for a slice at the pizzeria on 1...Lately when I ask for a slice at the pizzeria on 1st Avenue near Peter Cooper Village they ask me if I want a knife and fork with it. Finally I asked them if people are asking them for a knife and fork with their slice and they told me yes. I wondered what kind of people, maybe NYU students who live in the rented apartments in PCV or just any recent transplants who can afford the newly renovated market rate apartments available there.Pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02939737035870546945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-76549601560320221022017-10-04T16:14:06.123-04:002017-10-04T16:14:06.123-04:00New York is so scrubbed, it is hard to find an ori...New York is so scrubbed, it is hard to find an original New York accent. Most of the newcomers have affected a manufactured accent from watching "Goodfellas" too many times !t's horrible ! I heard one guy say he wanted a "soda pop" when he ordered a slice and a Coke. C'mon ! And everyone wants to be a "tough" New Yorker. New Yorkers are tough by nature and there is no need to act it, that is the difference between originals and newbies. Enjoy the City for what it is. It doesn't need any enhancement. And as far as that horrible HBO show "The Deuce" ? It should die a horrible death !Dingo Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12465785010684054984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-70726375386448613702017-10-04T10:22:17.142-04:002017-10-04T10:22:17.142-04:00As a native New Yorker born in Manhattan, raised i...As a native New Yorker born in Manhattan, raised in the High Bridge section of the Bronx and New Jersey, I now reside in Toronto. I miss NY. I worked in the city for 7 years during the 80's. They were the best time of my life. Whenever I come home I head into the city to visit the Met or have lunch with a friend. I lament the loss of the city I knew. It is like Disneyland North now. All scrubbed clean with the same boring stores as any other American city. I miss the grit and rough edges of the NY of my childhood. I miss the unique little shops in the Village and Lower East Side. I miss 42nd Street with its stripper palaces and the guys handing you flyers as you walk by. We were unique and now we are like everywhere else, just louder, bigger and ruder. I wish I had a time machine and I could turn the clock back and change it all back. Makes me sad to come into the city now. Makes me sad living in Toronto too. I dont feel a connection to either place anymore. I feel like a person without a country. lorik807https://www.blogger.com/profile/13018485318536140771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-35669424652439630282017-07-14T23:53:54.817-04:002017-07-14T23:53:54.817-04:00Well said, Arthur ! I'm just imagining a futur...Well said, Arthur ! I'm just imagining a future New York where people put mayo on pastrami and speak like every sentence is a question ! Yeesh ! Long live 2nd Ave, Deli and schmeer's !<br />Dingo Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12465785010684054984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-80281590587088148212017-07-06T03:40:56.075-04:002017-07-06T03:40:56.075-04:00Brooklynite4life aka Arthur L. Williams, Jr. Wel...Brooklynite4life aka Arthur L. Williams, Jr. Well, I guess I should add my 1 1/2 cents worth... Lol lol lol Like one Mr. W.M. Joel said, you can be in a New York State of mind if you so choose. Haven't lived in E.N.Y. since 1980,but doesn't matter, as my nom de plume indicates. Anyway, what is the REAL problem is that New York is becoming homogenized and sanitized beyond reality. Do things change in NYC? Of course, happens every day. Will everyone approve? No. But, New York is in a very real sense losing what made it NEW YORK, NEW YORK. The changes were happening even way back in the 60's (childhood years!), as white flight reached a peak that enabled my working-class, black family to be able to BUY a brick 2-story home in 11207 for a reasonable price. East New York definitely was a neighborhood in transition, but we all got along. Italian, Jewish, Black, Puerto Rican/Dominican/Cuban/Panamanian/Caribbean... One big family. Squabbles? Sure. Fights? Of course. Strong disagreements? You betcha! But we were all NEW YORKERS coexisting. As NYC slowly became a city of haves and have-nots, with the middle class and working-class being squeezed out by the rapidly rising cost of living, it pretty much was a given that the current situation would arise. Sad? I am... At what's been lost, and at the vitriol seen here. Don't fight each other- fight GOVERNMENT corruption and big business ownership of government. United we stand, divided we... DIE. As Spock said, "remember..." Peace and love... ��CapricornKidd60https://www.blogger.com/profile/05330959039899446260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-53330920953951932832016-12-27T16:36:19.662-05:002016-12-27T16:36:19.662-05:00Wasn't born here ? no Born here, moved away, r...Wasn't born here ? no Born here, moved away, returned years later ? Yes.Dingo Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12465785010684054984noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-76349971091304162502014-09-15T22:08:23.811-04:002014-09-15T22:08:23.811-04:00The Lenape Native Americans are the true New Yorke...The Lenape Native Americans are the true New Yorkers, all the others are f. interlopers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-85475601376593292422014-08-06T00:17:17.159-04:002014-08-06T00:17:17.159-04:00if you are from newark you are a new yorker like a...if you are from newark you are a new yorker like alan ginsburg. dont listen to the author. if you are from queens like patty smith you are a new yorker. certainly dont listen to the author because he claims she is from chicago. wrong! she moved there when she got married. then returned to NY. @ one rime if you were from brooklyn some people didnt consider you a new yorker. but i can do a list of several hundred NY & international icons from brooklyn. there you go i said it.laura r.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-67777365306368696532014-08-04T06:41:15.961-04:002014-08-04T06:41:15.961-04:00"Anonymous said...
To me, here's my rule:..."Anonymous said...<br />To me, here's my rule: <br /><br />If you were born here, NYer.<br />If you came with your family at a young age, NYer.<br />If you moved at an older age with family, wife, and intended to plant your life and family here...NYer.<br /><br />If you are a hiopster, yuppie wanna-be from the sticks who came here in your twnenties to "be a New Yorker", trying all too hard to be a theater-going, art-opening, cocktail-dfrinking caricature from the 1940s with your vinyl records playing in your soho flat...Go home, you are not a New Yorker."<br /><br />"Go home, you are not a New Yorker." you tell me.<br /><br />May I plead my case?<br /><br />I first lived in a women's hotel in the East 30s, then permanently moved to an SRO in the East Village. I loved that I could feed, dress myself, furnish my apartment, make friends, and bask in the wonderment of a great city.<br /><br />Anyway. The SRO was beautiful, and home to a bunch of oldtimers and me! Musicians, actors, a recovering drug addict, a dancer, a retired model, a fortune teller, an aspiring fashion designer, a psychologist and a few sex workers as well. We all got on fine, left our doors unlocked when we used the communal bathroom.<br /><br />The owner/landlord passed, and the new owner kind of illustrated in microcosm what happened to the East Village.<br /><br />The quirky stuccoed walls and original art were eliminated. The hallways were papered with Laura Ashley floral wallpaper (I kid you not) and all the original art (many quite valuable pieces, the original owner was an art collector) was sequestered somewhere. The fresh flowers that the old owner took pride in having in the lobby were replaced by fake ones. The beautiful tin ceiling in the communal bathroom was plastered over. And in my last days before eviction, I discovered the charming SRO I knew and lived in for 24 years was being marketed on the internet as a dorm. The website even lists what sort of tenants they are targeting: students and interns.<br /><br />Anyway, I accidentally became an opera singer and an actress, a result of living near the Ottendorfer Library and the Amato Opera Theater. Having lived in the EV for so long, I became friends with other actors, directors and artists. So I did attend openings and cocktail parties to support my friends. I did listen to records--my record player, which I still have, was from a junk shop on Great Jones Street. My records came mostly from the second-hand shop (now closed) on 7th or sales from the Ottendorfer.<br /><br />So the landlord who evicted me, because he married and settled down here, raised his children (who are now training to be landlords themselves in buildings he has bought) is by your definition a New Yorker, and I am not.<br /><br />Anyway, I hope you consider my case before telling me to "go home". Right now I don't really have one, a true one in my heart, which is what I consider a real home. A place to call home. I lived here from age 21 to 45. <br /><br />I miss New York.<br /><br />--Former East VillagerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-59599618082849813722014-01-12T09:37:13.458-05:002014-01-12T09:37:13.458-05:00My first sentence was meant to read: "I '...My first sentence was meant to read: "I 'only' considered native New Yorkers..." I apologize for that. -J.T.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-7355553143887127982014-01-11T22:20:05.001-05:002014-01-11T22:20:05.001-05:00I never considered native New Yorkers to be New Yo...I never considered native New Yorkers to be New Yorkers because of mutual hostility. Manhattan was still wonderful in the early 80's (when I was a teenager) but those of us with native NYC Queens, Brooklyn, or Bronx accents were held in contempt by "chic" Manhattan transplants and denied entrance to anything fun (if they could). Of course women and gay men always sought us guys out when they wanted REAL sex and/or a cop or fireman. It got out of hand, so now I don't even care anymore that Manhattan has been wiped as bland as a clean blackboard by rich executives who just want an apartment close to the office. I can't enjoy Manhattan anymore, but at least neither can those out-of-town slinky artsy women and gay ghetto snots. Let nobody but the nobodies have Manhattan now. -J.T. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-53184235269439625512013-11-21T17:13:32.809-05:002013-11-21T17:13:32.809-05:00I'm from suburban NJ and I lived in the city f...I'm from suburban NJ and I lived in the city for 5 years age 25-30 from 98-'02, then moved back to NJ. One thing that really used to bug me was when some shithead around my age who moved here from Iowa/Ohio wherever a year ago prior complained about or mocked "Bridge and Tunnel" people.<br /><br />You see, when they were in High School, the same weekends they spent doing donuts at the parking lot of a Wal Mart, MY friends and I were taking the PATH into the city buying drugs, seeing shows, etc. I was drinking in NYC bars before I even had a drivers license. Ironically most of the "native NYers" I knew who actually grew up in the city in the 80s and early 90s couldn't move out of there fast enough. Davenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-87136314642845078442013-11-19T00:01:18.557-05:002013-11-19T00:01:18.557-05:00way back in 2008 someone commented on patti smith.... way back in 2008 someone commented on patti smith. FYI she is from queens. you're right about allen ginsberg being from jersey, but "we" consider that NY. ok this attitude is attitude. we get that after 4 generations. (just kidding). laura r.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-22321913037198714402013-11-18T14:17:51.255-05:002013-11-18T14:17:51.255-05:00I was born 25 miles north of NYC. Went to college ...I was born 25 miles north of NYC. Went to college upstate<br />and commuted into the city prior to leaving 33 years ago. I wasn't a Texan nor am I a north Carolinian. I will always be a new Yorker, albeit not from NYC. My accent gives me away and others don't let me forget where i'm from and why would I want to?<br /><br />I believe where you grew up shaped you and if you are from iowa and live in ny then you are an Iowan residing in ny.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-34073978844085546692013-10-16T07:10:06.565-04:002013-10-16T07:10:06.565-04:00Funny comments, but let me add my 2 cents. I was ...Funny comments, but let me add my 2 cents. I was born in NYC, Manhattan to be exact and grew up there, even graduated from college there. Now the ONLY address that has NY, NY on it is Manhattan, so to me and "Native" New Yorkers. That is the only definition. If you were from Queens you were a Queenite, Bronite, etc. And every laughed if you had the misfortune of being from Staten Island. <br />I remember times square before it became Disneyland for the Tourists. Yeah parts of it were seedy, and there were porn shops up and down 8th ave. But you know what it WAS new york, not this bullshit artificial Disney crap we have now. Now all the outsiders have pushed out most of the natives due to high rents, and such. So you want to know what a new yorker is, someone born and bred in manhattan, not some carpet bagger! If I moved to Japan and lived there for 50 guess what I'm not Japanese, and you are not a new yorker!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-44164269382366940192013-09-11T16:26:43.058-04:002013-09-11T16:26:43.058-04:00I too am a native NYer. Second generation on one s...I too am a native NYer. Second generation on one side; too far back to know on the other. City (Manhattan) people as far back as we can trace. <br /><br />Like most natives I was born and raised in a family neighborhood. As another poster said - I grew up in "the city in the 70s", which to us meant only Manhattan, and "have little accent" which absolutely confuses non natives. <br /><br />I walked to grammar school, took the bus or subway to high school and returned home after college. Upon my return, and to this day, I was/am told by too many close minded transplants or people who visited Times Square once (the new one, of course) that "no one grew up in the city". That silly statement is just one example of why real NYers get frustrated with others. But I digress.<br /><br />Long story short - After a one year seperation from my beloved NY, for my career & a bit of change, in Chicago, I moved to company HQ in California and I have lived in CA for well over a decade. <br /><br />Here's my point -- when asked where I live or where am from I always say "I am a NEW YORKER LIVING IN CALIFORNIA". I never respond "I am a Californian" or "that I am from CA". Neither is true. But I will say "I live in CA" because that is true. I adore my NY roots and I love my current home but no matter how much I adapt, embrace or embody my current surroundings I am first and foremost a NY in another location and always will be. Those are just the facts of the matter.<br /><br />Be proud of your origins people! America vast and as a whole is a great country. It took courage to relocate to the big bad city. (okay, that only applies to those of us who remember the gritty 70s/80s/even the early 90s.)<br /><br />Stop trying to disguise your roots by saying you are a NYer after: 2 months, 2 years, 2 decades. Sorry, but you are not. <br /><br />Born and bread natives like my siblings, cousins, classmates, neighborhood pals, etc, and their children who remain in NY are true NYers. <br /><br />Be FROM where you are actually FROM and embrace the fact that you choose to LIVE in NY.Uh Shadoobynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-64855913133894766762013-08-11T14:20:49.759-04:002013-08-11T14:20:49.759-04:00i live in montreal but my hart and soul are in nyc...i live in montreal but my hart and soul are in nyc.. i believe that i am more a native than some of the born here.s are. i care about the state of the chelsea. i dislike bloomberg but i am concerned that there does not appear to be anyone in the wings. home is where the heart is and i am fortunate that i am able to spend a month or so a year visiting my heart. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15160462961026526191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-68913601074815171032013-04-10T11:40:26.845-04:002013-04-10T11:40:26.845-04:00You know what makes a real New Yorker? People with...You know what makes a real New Yorker? People with tenacity. People with a willingness to roll with the punches and stand their ground and make their own life and happiness. True individuals, not the whiney fucking pukes commenting on this post, many of whom moved out fifteen years ago and yet still feel qualified to judge transplants who came here yesterday. I moved here 8 months ago and I'm working in a corporate job and living in Astoria, and I'm not leaving. Suck my dick.disgusted transplantnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-64799195936839240222012-12-19T03:11:46.361-05:002012-12-19T03:11:46.361-05:00Admittedly, I have only read about 20 comments her...Admittedly, I have only read about 20 comments here but all of them - even the one's by native New Yorkers - do not seem to actually be concerned with the city at all.<br /><br />Reading between the lines, the horrible things people are spitting out seem to cater to their desperate need to feel like they're better than the person standing next to them.<br /><br />I don't understand how people can say they truly love the city and they are the real New Yorkers because they've lived here since birth yet in the same sentence use their beloved city to engender hate and to satisfy the vapid urge to feel superior. I want to admire the love and passion people these commenters have for New York but I fail to understand how the hatred spawned from it is a good thing for them.<br /><br />Furthermore, to me, one of New York's greatest traits is its ability to change. Everyone here claiming they miss the real New York only means they miss the New York that was there when they were growing up. New York existed before you and it was different before you. The world changes, things change, and while there's nothing wrong with nostalgia, I think it's quite odd that people act like it isn't one of the only constant parts of life.<br /><br />One last gripe to the native New Yorkers claiming they are better than those who move here: you were born here purely on chance and not of your own choice or doing. You don't get brownie points for being born here, sorry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-9429794912255748142012-10-24T17:16:37.636-04:002012-10-24T17:16:37.636-04:00I fall into that third category. I first came here...I fall into that third category. I first came here for college in 1969, having wanted to move here for a long time. Where I grew up, in the small town of Bristol, Connecticut, people were scared of New York City. Too big, too dangerous, filled with con men. My high school guidance counselor described it as a concrete jungle, but this enticed me even more. <br /><br />I eventually started my business in 1975 and have remained here ever since. I knew the city was the place for me before I even moved here, and over 40 years later I'm still exploring this jungle and its inhabitants and documenting it all here: http://www.newyorkdailyphoto.com/nydppress<br /><br />Am I a not a real New Yorker because I wasn't born here? What is the definition of "real New Yorker" anyway? Brian Dubéhttp://www.newyorkdailyphoto.com/nydppressnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-4522434243289249012012-10-13T11:04:52.099-04:002012-10-13T11:04:52.099-04:00I didn't know about this blog back then (wow ...I didn't know about this blog back then (wow can't believe it was 4 years ago) when I saw taking over, I loved this show and wish it ran longer, there was definitely a clear divide in the audience with New Yorkers cheering and clapping and non new yorkers looking around uncomfortably. But I just wanted to say I grew up here and up until recently I never had any animosity towards people who came from someplace else, of course my parents came from someplace else, it's not the issue that people move from someplace else, it's the entitled snide snotty brattiness of recent newcomers, the fact that they are unaware that they are cashing in on their racial and class privilege and hurting people who lived here when they would have turned their nose up, when they ran for the suburbs, and oh how I wish they were still doing that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-18376828669795430152012-10-11T13:37:52.704-04:002012-10-11T13:37:52.704-04:00To me, here's my rule:
If you were born her...To me, here's my rule: <br /><br />If you were born here, NYer.<br />If you came with your family at a young age, NYer.<br />If you moved at an older age with family, wife, and intended to plant your life and family here...NYer.<br /><br />If you are a hiopster, yuppie wanna-be from the sticks who came here in your twnenties to "be a New Yorker", trying all too hard to be a theater-going, art-opening, cocktail-dfrinking caricature from the 1940s with your vinyl records playing in your soho flat...Go home, you are not a New Yorker.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-83361170748148336762012-08-23T14:41:13.259-04:002012-08-23T14:41:13.259-04:00No, I'm a real NYer. NO, I'm a REAL New Yo...No, I'm a real NYer. NO, I'm a REAL New Yorker!! Pathetic. Nobody cares, especially not the new transplants that have taken the title of New Yorker without your permission. Guess what else... nobody cares if they do, after all they are the new-New Yorkers. The Frankish hoards have overwhelmed the gates. Get out while you are virile enough to build a new life in a more dynamic and less socioeconomically stratified city.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-64764062920335903202012-01-23T08:59:15.456-05:002012-01-23T08:59:15.456-05:00I have lived in NYC all my life. The invasion of t...I have lived in NYC all my life. The invasion of those I think of as "Connecticut" or "Scarsdale" people - and I realize this should by now include the children of billionaires from all around the world - has been a source of great dismay, fury and sorrow for me over the years. <br /><br />This is how long the fight has been going on: I wrote a letter to then Mayor Ed Koch begging him to institute commercial rent control. I got a letter back saying he would never do such a thing. I was protesting how, under his administration, wonderful, successful East Village restaurants were closing because the landlords were able to triple their rent. <br /><br />I remember when we New Yorkers laughed at the idea that there would ever be a chain store in Manhattan. We were flabbergasted when the first of them: Seaman's Furniture (where K-Mart then settled, at Astor Place), suddenly appeared. Seaman's Furniture: a place we'd heard of only in the excited blathering of radio ads urging us to visit Paramus, New Jersey! Then came that McDonalds on Third Avenue. I don't remember which came next, but come they did, as you all know. <br /><br />Here's the only thing that gives me solace. Like a lot of you, I'm a lifer. I can't imagine living anywhere else. In short, I'm stuck here, even though I'm in a love-hate relationship with this town at this point. Here's the solace: I traveled out to San Francisco, LA and Seattle last summer, and guess what? New York is STILL better than those places. San Francisco is cool enough, but California's bankruptcy has left the state's cities and towns damaged and dirty, reminiscent of the 70's, but not in a good way. (I lived through the 70's. Trust me, it was great in many ways, but it was also disgusting and dangerous.) San Francisco is filthy and not even particularly affordable, and LA - well, no New Yorker worth his salt would consider moving there (Woody Allen be praised!). Worse, along with Seattle, these cities are shockingly provincial. The truth is there is no place in this country that even comes close to New York. So guess what, folks? There ain't no place else to go! (Well, maybe Prague, or Paris, or Rome or London? The only way to go might be east,"across the pond.")Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-31623588060775988342012-01-21T16:13:59.665-05:002012-01-21T16:13:59.665-05:00Let's play who's a new yorker with Mikey&#...Let's play who's a new yorker with Mikey's family.<br /><br />A few generations of my family. <br /><br />Who's a new yorker, who's not? <br /><br />My Grandpa - born in Hungary, moved to the L.E.S at 2. Grew up in Brooklyn went to Boys High in Bed Stuy. Moved to L.I after WWII. Lived there and died there. <br /><br />New Yorker or Hungarian? <br /><br />My mom born in Brooklyn, grew up in L.I.? Got sick of the cold went to Florida. New Yorker?<br /><br />New Yorker or Floridian?<br /><br />My brother...born in Roma, moved to Queens around 3? Worked for the city fixing up the Brooklyn Bridge? New Yorker? <br /><br />Romano or Queens kid?<br /><br />Me - born in Long Beach, L.I. Spent my childhood after 10 moving to CA, FL, MA and back to NY at 22. Lived in Manhattan, BK, and Queens for the last ten years and probably will forever as it's the only place in America that doesn't make me claustrophobic.<br /><br />Long Island Brat or Transient? <br /><br />My daughter born in Bellevue two years ago, lived in Manhattan for a year and a half. Now in Queens...<br /><br />City girl or Queens chick?<br /><br />Strange that my family that's not in Italy are mostly from in or around the five boroughs, but by many may not be considered New Yorkers. <br /><br />Who gives a shit! Still we got that fucking accent. <br /><br />Sidenote: Who cares what anybody thinks? That's the biggest lesson here worth learning. If you're from Oklahoma or Ontario...I guess your from Oklahoma or Ontario, but still you can make a big bang here on broadway, just don't sing too loud if you're down the hall from those showtunes give me a headache...<br /><br />Nice work Jeremiah. Keep reminding us....wait what were you reminding us again...love this blog...Mikeynoreply@blogger.com