tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post2759521140280966496..comments2023-08-14T11:44:27.299-04:00Comments on Jeremiah's<br> Vanishing New York: How to ComplainJeremiah Mosshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11791516443125872364noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-14799735954442501602015-10-16T18:07:04.312-04:002015-10-16T18:07:04.312-04:00my family lived in LES/EV in 1900. no one blasted ...my family lived in LES/EV in 1900. no one blasted loud music untill 4 am. wouldnt mind an update since the original artical. i did read that some clubs have been shut down. btw, i dont own a cell phone, ipad or walk around w/a computer. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12860564178014297192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-14140515740226344122015-03-16T09:20:05.186-04:002015-03-16T09:20:05.186-04:00@Anonymous 2:40am:
Oh please God let this be a sop...@Anonymous 2:40am:<br />Oh please God let this be a sophisticated leg pull.Patnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-1174938453915515912015-03-16T02:40:07.517-04:002015-03-16T02:40:07.517-04:00Here's a suggestion: Move. NYC has always been...Here's a suggestion: Move. NYC has always been noisy!! I'm sure in 1890s people (my ancestors) complained about noise of carriages w/horses and horse crap piled in streets. There's Catskills that are quiet, suburbs that are quieter... and many other options for places to live than the island of Manhattan. There's so much anger and ridiculous over-educated debating in almost all these post... folks need to lighten up. You live in NYC people - one of the busiest cities on planet.. not Santa Fe, not Mountain View, not Aspen or Provincetown or Fort Collins or Portland, ME or Oregon. Here's an idea - visit Calcutta or Bejing and see if you come back and are still whining about such minor issues. Geez. Meditate much? You gotta be able to laugh at yourselves-cause these posts and the fighting back and forth is just - why most people think NYers are so hostile. Group hug anyone? PEACE. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-67581781321016492292012-12-20T00:45:22.959-05:002012-12-20T00:45:22.959-05:00To qualify my own comments again:
I suspect the d...To qualify my own comments again:<br /><br />I suspect the divergence of opinions may represent the radically different experience one may depending on the particular establishments in one's immediate vicinity. Some of the bars and venues maintain a civilized crowd and behavior, and others attract the self-entitled egoists.<br /><br />If alcohol disinhibits and reveals one's true character - then maybe it's the difference between the charming drinker and the belligerent drinker. I feel for those stuck on a block with the latter type of crowd.<br /><br />- EVillagerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-89734834396856222252012-12-20T00:38:45.453-05:002012-12-20T00:38:45.453-05:00May I politely ask a question without being cursed...May I politely ask a question without being cursed at silenced:<br /><br />Is the issue here about noise, or about the obnoxious types of people making the noise? <br /><br />(I have little sympathy for the fratitlement crowd myself. )<br /><br />That is: would we feel differently about this if it were the Filmore East or CBGBs as the source of noise?<br /><br />Just curious.<br /><br />- EVillagerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-26302508030593460692012-12-20T00:34:46.774-05:002012-12-20T00:34:46.774-05:00I don't get it. I'm a native New Yorker an...I don't get it. I'm a native New Yorker and always live in the East Village (buying here soon, actually, so we're here to stay). I'm a musician myself, and my true love is a more stable working profession. We like the liveliness, that bars and clubs are open late and spill out onto the street. I wish there were more live music venues. It does indeed make us feel safer than if the streets were desolate and closed down at night. Of course, sense of safety is also increased by the presence of non-bar 24-hour places like St Mark's Market, Veselka, and so on.<br /><br />The noise from bars and clubs on our street and in the neighborhood feels like the pulse of life to me. Even chose to live right above a jazz club for a while. The far worse noise is the completely non-musical ear-splitting and regular bombast of the SIRENS, car horns, car alarms, and occasional motorcycles without mufflers. <br /><br />- EVillagerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-6659098567284927092012-07-11T10:26:03.172-04:002012-07-11T10:26:03.172-04:00When I moved to the East Village in 1988 it was gl...When I moved to the East Village in 1988 it was gloriously deserted and that included weekends. <br /><br />The neighborhood definitely had a fantastic "countercultural" feeling (I used to see Quentin Crisp eating at a diner almost daily), which has since been completely eradicated and replaced with the most banal, uninteresting people imaginable. As most people mentioned here, it's mostly "frat" types that now flood the neighborhood Thurs-Sun nights. It's unpleasant to leave your apt/be on the streets during that time.<br /><br />I also agree that that lame "you chose to live in the city that never sleeps" comment, with regard to the current noise situation, has got to go/stop being tossed around.<br />The neighborhood was never as "hideous" or loud as it is now. Yes, it was more dangerous/rundown at one point, but if were talking about noise, there's no comparison.<br /><br />Yes, I chose to live in NEW YORK. I did not choose to live in a larger, more expensive, noisier version of a suburb in middle America.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-56714967395542840362010-10-17T15:26:04.668-04:002010-10-17T15:26:04.668-04:00much of this is due to the social shifts. corporat...much of this is due to the social shifts. corporations running real estate. loss of small businesses. this is not about carrie bradshaw or imacs. or whether someone carries a thermis. i carry a bottle of water & dont use a cell phone much (never take my imac out of the house), where do you put me? these references just undermine your cause. its commerical vs. residential. corporations vs. small landlords. its stupid to complain about texting. actually its good as you cant hear them! there should be zoning. some blocks bars, others not. then people could live on the non bar blocks. the transients or college kids would live next to the bar. oh yes, hopefully some practical everyday businesses like laundries, groceries, etc. of cause im a fatalist. since i see this in other countries on a much bigger scale, i dont have answers as how to fight the global enemy. what once was (for example) a nice town becomes a tourist trap. the same noise & issues are here where i live, its 5000 miles away!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-17360692469163197592010-10-17T14:55:20.124-04:002010-10-17T14:55:20.124-04:00the EV has changed. i lived there like over 40yrs ...the EV has changed. i lived there like over 40yrs ago. they had the fillmore but you couldnt hear that much. & yes there was a the dom on st. marks place. i stayed again in the EV between 2004-2008. there was a bar downstairs w/blasting noise 3 nights a week. crowds of people on the street screaming. they stayed open way past the legal closing time. sometimes the sound was muffled & i did not mind. other times it was impossible. also drunks screaming untill 5 am. the EV is not a residential area anymore. after reading these comments & being witness to some of this, i can say "NO it was not always like that". this is not a way to live. it seems to be the bar center of new york now. this is also happening world wide as well. quiet & normal life is for the rich. anything else is a commercial nightmare.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-19680048897587466802009-09-27T02:39:25.582-04:002009-09-27T02:39:25.582-04:00Thank you! I am looking for help in my nabe, illeg...Thank you! I am looking for help in my nabe, illegal social club running out of a garage. It's 2:31 am. They are broadcasting/blasting hostile gangsta and pop music. They are obviously stoned/drunk as these males are always fighting/talking/screaming. (occasional women present, but only once in a while - a friend in another nabe says that's how it is. ) there are unsupervised minors running causing disturbances in the street until 4 or am. <br />One just ran by screaming obscenities. <br /><br />the horrible, horrible part is the later it gets the louder the music gets. I want to wake up before 11 or 12! I can not sleep even with ear plugs with this horrific level of noise. <br /><br />I am amazed to hear the same thing going on in other neighborhoods. I assume these specific people are drug dealers due to their complete disregard for anyone else. I am exhausted. I don't want to call 311 but I will. <br /><br /><br />any suggestions or City Wide meeting of Anti- Noise activists, I can attend? Thanks for showing up here!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-11227402229941428482009-08-07T10:46:29.641-04:002009-08-07T10:46:29.641-04:00Clearly you have never tried to speak to an EV lan...Clearly you have never tried to speak to an EV landlord, whose response is ALWAYS "Fuck you I'll see you in court." Always. Really. Our landlord doesn't have an address, only a PO Box. Ask for somebody in charge on the phone and you are told "no." Ask them for their name, you are told "no." <br /><br />They took away our bike parking to make room for more garbage cans. There are empty rooms in the basement, perfect for bike parking but they won't even speak about it. <br /><br />Our last 2 landlords were called into the Community Board to explain themselves and their PR people showed up, but nothing changed. They are all about the greed and the turnover.<br /><br />Of course there are still some family owned buildings that care about their tenants, but they are fewer and fewer, which is exactly why all of this has happened.Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04362859175287085919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-13653056869236022982009-08-07T10:43:48.512-04:002009-08-07T10:43:48.512-04:00Instead of simply complaining, what about creating...<i>Instead of simply complaining, what about creating a dialogue with area landlords in an effort to get them to reduce the rent on a few properties in the area, so that desired businesses can afford to open in the neighborhood? ... Open your eyes folks, real estate greed is the real problem here.</i><br /><br />I love when commenters like Anon 5:25 talk to the rest of us as if we are children.<br /><br />One of the buildings on upper Avenue A houses two of the noisiest and most crowded bars on the block. Their landlord is an enormous private/predatory equity firm. Perhaps you have heard about Westbrook. They own 17 buildings in the East Village, and were able to evict or buy out up to 40% of rent regulated tenants in some buildings through a well-documented system of harassment, bullying and false claims. <br /><br />http://curbed.com/tags/westbrook-partners<br /><br />To think that one can get in a "dialogue" with such an entity is absolutely laughable. One will have enough difficulty getting someone to pick up the phone at PVE Associates, the shadowy management firm that serves as the landlord's liason.<br /><br />So yes, of course the high rents have caused the proliferation of bars and deterioration of services. And many of us DO try to engage in a dialogue as best we can, through advocates such as the Cooper Square Committee, GOLES, Rosie Mendez, etc. <br /><br />We residents may be fighting a losing battle, but to imply that we have yet to "open [our] eyes" is ridiculous. We are the ones who live here. We know what the problem is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-4853171332326485362009-08-06T17:25:38.006-04:002009-08-06T17:25:38.006-04:00With all this talk about who and what is to blame ...With all this talk about who and what is to blame for the current state of the EV, I haven't heard a peep about greedy landlords who, by charging obscene amounts for rent, have made it damn near impossible for any other type of business to thrive in the area. Why do you think that the laundromat was forced to close? Because EVIL club and restaurant owners forced them out? Most likely, it’s because they couldn’t afford the rent anymore. Why aren’t there more bodegas, florists, boutiques, etc? There is no way that these businesses can survive with such high overhead costs.<br /><br />Instead of simply complaining, what about creating a dialogue with area landlords in an effort to get them to reduce the rent on a few properties in the area, so that desired businesses can afford to open in the neighborhood? None of these clubs and restaurants own the properties where they are doing business, so they are renting from someone. The landlords are the ones who ultimately control the types of businesses that are being brought into your neighborhood because they are choosing to rent to these establishments. <br /><br />Yes, SOME restaurants and clubs are a problem, but they also contribute to the color and vibrancy of the city overall. However, I do agree that the best solution would be a mix of businesses so that one neighborhood isn’t bombarded at the expense of others. Open your eyes folks, real estate greed is the real problem here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-49551203392262050322009-08-06T09:43:43.183-04:002009-08-06T09:43:43.183-04:00where to start!
1. There was great info in the or...<i>where to start!<br /><br />1. There was great info in the original posts </i><b>[gee thanks Andrew!! so happy for your approval!!]</b>, <i>so those complaining go to the meetings and do something rather than blog about it. </i><b>[yes, because the people here only comment on blogs. We don't go to community meetings.]</b><br /><br /><i>2. As for moving to Dubai, I've been there and lived in Baghdad for 2.5 yrs <br /><br />3.I have lived right behind the delancey on Clinton st. <br /><br />3. If you want quiet move to the suburbs </i><b>[two #3s, heh]</b><br /><br /><i>Who said happiness is Easy!</i><br /><br />Andrew, I tried to keep an open mind, but clearly you are exactly the kind of douche that's ruining my neighborhood. See you at Superdive, brah!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-17467765633216024462009-08-06T06:03:28.878-04:002009-08-06T06:03:28.878-04:00"I choose where to live based on a decision m..."I choose where to live based on a decision making process, that accounts for potential changes or bombs in the neighborhood."<br /><br />Yes, I'm sure that 20 or even 30 years ago, the folks moving into the EV could have easily accounted for the potential that their neighborhood would one day evolve, or really devolve into the douchebag capital of the east coast. Your distorted sense of predictive talent might be the result of a close call in Baghdad; either that or you're just plain stupid. Take your pick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-90398520894565471972009-08-05T03:40:13.921-04:002009-08-05T03:40:13.921-04:00NO JD, you need to come off it. Stop showing your ...NO JD, you need to come off it. Stop showing your ingorance, and lack of NYC's past, and deal with the present. I will reiterate, the EV was NEVER the chaotic hell it is today, never. When people choose to live in a particular area, and it turns into something compeletely different, then it's time to blame the victim right? That doesn't work in this discussion, and neither do you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-78300266723970169702009-08-05T03:17:51.040-04:002009-08-05T03:17:51.040-04:00@ Knicks
"There really is no need to walk ar...<b>@ Knicks</b><br /><br />"There really is no need to walk around all day with a thermos now.<br /><br />All of the idiots walking around with $400+ I-pods and all of the idiots leaving their $2,000 macbooks unattended for a few minutes are easier and more desirable targets than a mother pulling out $2 in cash to buy a soda for her young child."<br /><br /><b>Umm what? <br /><br />First of all if you say you long for the days of carrying around a thermos, why would you then say there is no use for one anymore?</b><br /><br />HA HA HA HA HA<br /><br />You are an idiot! <br /><br /><b>And I fail to see why you are judging people who own Apple products, as it really has nothing to do with what the comments discussing. Maybe you should make your point clearer and more succinct next time you post, otherwise you just sound like a rambling idiot.</b><br /><br />NO.<br /><br />What I said above makes perfect sense.<br /><br />You are the one who is looking like an idiot right about now.<br /><br />I would welcome a return to the OLD NEW YORK.<br /><br />All the annoying texting device pedestrians with their I-pods and cell phones and all the self righteous unattended Macbook people they would all be DONE, FINISHED, HISTORY!!!<br /><br />I myself might even be tempted to join in on some of the action.KnicksBasketballNYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-32982439119435345682009-08-05T00:54:41.852-04:002009-08-05T00:54:41.852-04:00where to start!
1. There was great info in the or...where to start!<br />1. There was great info in the original posts, so those complaining go to the meetings and do something rather than blog about it.<br />2. As for moving to Dubai, I've been there and lived in Baghdad for 2.5 yrs and I choose where to live based on a decision making process, that accounts for potential changes or bombs in the neighborhood.<br />3.I have lived right behind the delancey on Clinton st. They have live bands 4-5 nights a wk, rooftop bar and taxis/drunks all night. But I paid $1500 for 3000sqf. Why so cheap (not the best neighborhood to raise a family).<br />3. If you want quiet move to the suburbs, Peter Cooper Vill, Stuy Town, UES, UWS, or a neighborhood that is Co-ops and knows how to play the game to keep the bars out. Who said happiness is Easy!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10901035540254471036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-38579345361378556702009-08-04T20:00:12.394-04:002009-08-04T20:00:12.394-04:00Bravo Jeremiah, this guide should be laminated and...Bravo Jeremiah, this guide should be laminated and distributed.hntrnychttp://huntergatherernyc.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-15933662860525231482009-08-04T19:32:56.770-04:002009-08-04T19:32:56.770-04:00You are right, you cannot put a lock on the roof, ...You are right, you cannot put a lock on the roof, it is illegal, and dangerous, as it is a point of egress in case of fire. I have put up signs very nicely asking for consideration, explaining that there is no insulation between the roof and our ceiling, and there is little heed paid - not by all of them, but the few assholes that don't care are enough make it miserable for at least 20 people who are regularly woken up by the noise.<br /><br />We have lived here for 27 years, through all kinds of times, all kinds of tenants, all kinds of shop keepers, watching them struggle to earn a living, go in and out of jail, move in and out, get kicked out, get killed, whatever. <br /><br />It has always been a FUN neighborhood, which is why we love it, but this is a different thing now. It's not about complaining about change for the sake of it, it's about seeing 150 people at midnight on the sidewalk, all yelling at each other and into their phones. That's A LOT of people. <br /><br />We've never had people regularly stomping on the roof all hours of the night, inviting 100 people over to go on the roof. Never, not in 27 years. We have never had such a high level of noise coming up from the street, waking us up from a dead sleep on a regular basis. Of course there was always noise, we didn't just wake up out of a coma and discover we are living in Manhattan, but the noise level is unprecedented and constant. <br /><br />There is absolutely no reason that there should be 6 bars that cater to this noisy crowd in a two block radius. If some of the bars were wine bars with an older crowd, or some were old man bars that catered to the drunk old man crowd, and one or two bars that catered to the noisy youth, that would be fine. But this is out of control.<br /><br />There was one time when a restaurant across the street had live music every Sat night til 4am without a license, but they were also the drug kingpins of the block and they were finally put out of business by a coalition of the block association and the cops. That was a pretty bad summer too, so one summer 15 years ago and now this. I complained about the drug dealing fake restaurant owners and went to the meetings to get rid of them, and I will complain about these 20 year old idiots, hopefully with the same measure of success.Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04362859175287085919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-88434185846193147082009-08-04T17:20:08.382-04:002009-08-04T17:20:08.382-04:00i don't think a tenant can put on a lock. and ...i don't think a tenant can put on a lock. and many people come from other buildings, walking from one roof to another. <br /><br />they don't like it in williamsburg, either:<br /><br />http://curbed.com/archives/2009/08/04/williamsburg_roof_abusers_are_very_unconsidered_neighbors.php<br /><br />and the east village has not always been the rowdy, obnoxious, party-zone it is today. to think so is short-sightened and uninformed.Jeremiah Mosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11791516443125872364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-57242019822593289652009-08-04T14:58:44.584-04:002009-08-04T14:58:44.584-04:00Andrew: Move to Dubai prick. Stop making the Bower...Andrew: Move to Dubai prick. Stop making the Bowery into Dubai 2.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-89397259738446841192009-08-04T13:40:06.764-04:002009-08-04T13:40:06.764-04:00I do have some sympathy for noise complaints, but ...I do have some sympathy for noise complaints, but come on - you chose to live in the East Village. It's been a rowdy neighborhood for decades, so you can't exactly claim that you thought you were living in Tudor City or something.<br /><br />Jill: Come off it. The neighborhood is still full of bodegas, supermarkets, tailors, etc. (Like bars are really taking over spaces suited for use as a supermarket?) If you "almost always nearly get in a fist fight", then maybe you need to look in the mirror for the source of the problem; I'm out and about a good bit and rarely feel any urge to get into a fight. And if you really need to chase people off the roof at least once a month, may I suggest the amazing new invention called a lock? Works great for keeping people from going through doors they're not supposed to, you know...JDnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-59654932289903403012009-08-04T13:09:35.780-04:002009-08-04T13:09:35.780-04:00@ Knicks
"There really is no need to walk ar...@ Knicks<br /><br />"There really is no need to walk around all day with a thermos now.<br /><br />All of the idiots walking around with $400+ I-pods and all of the idiots leaving their $2,000 macbooks unattended for a few minutes are easier and more desirable targets than a mother pulling out $2 in cash to buy a soda for her young child."<br /><br />Umm what? <br /><br />First of all if you say you long for the days of carrying around a thermos, why would you then say there is no use for one anymore? <br /> <br />And I fail to see why you are judging people who own Apple products, as it really has nothing to do with what the comments discussing. Maybe you should make your point clearer and more succinct next time you post, otherwise you just sound like a rambling idiot.<br /><br />I don't completely agree with Andrew, but I do feel as though it's unfair to target certain people in certain neighborhoods just because you all hate change. Not everything new is good, but you can't live in the past, and you have to find a balance instead of lashing out against all new establishments, new patrons, new residents, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-683382864156505640.post-20206790942035090712009-08-04T10:08:36.815-04:002009-08-04T10:08:36.815-04:00"Little extra noise?" What type of cogni..."Little extra noise?" What type of cognitively challenged, ignorant, just plain tired and old clap-trap logic is that? Aren't you remotely embarrassed at the depth of your stupidity on this issue?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com