Friday, June 13, 2014

Shake Shack X

Yesterday, countless people who apparently feel an extreme, perhaps psychotic, level of desire for hamburgers stood on line at the Shake Shack in Madison Square Park. They were there to celebrate the international corporate chain's tenth anniversary. In a line that snaked and looped upon itself, stretching for blocks, they waited for as long as six hours.



Their prize? A hamburger. But not just any hamburger, a special one made by a chef named Humm. It was thus known as the Humm Burger.

"It's got truffles on it," one young woman explained as she massaged her aching calves five hours into the waiting marathon. "Shaved black truffle! And gruyere! And applewood bacon! Only $8.50!"

But there had to be more to it, right? Why would anyone wait in line for six hours just for a burger, as tasty and special as that burger might be? Do they want to be part of something, a shared experience? "I don't care about being part of something," said the young woman, "I just want that burger!"



On the portable soundstage, a clean-cut band of young men played up-tempo pop songs about love. The lead singer announced, "This is a momentous occasion. Ten years of delicious food!" Young folks played ping pong or waited in yet more lines--one line for hot dogs and another line for birthday cake.

A guy standing in line, close to the burger stand, the promised land, offered to sell his spot for $100. "I'll even throw in a hand-job!" No one took him up on it.

A man working for the park changed the bags in the garbage cans, hauling away the Shake Shack refuse. "I can't figure it out myself," he said. "I never tried the burger. Some people I work with, they tried the burger. Said it's nothing special. Nothing worth waiting in line for. In my neighborhood, I can get a burger, too."



Then a grizzled man appeared by the fountain with a sign and an amplifier. He held up the sign, "Fracking = Death," and spoke into a microphone, saying, "We are apathetic as a country" and "Despite what you may think, New York City is not a corporation." 

He asked people to pay attention to fracking and bring food to the hungry, but no one paid attention. A park ranger quickly interrupted and forced him to be quiet and move along. Unlike the thousands of people in line, he wasn't blocking any traffic.



Back at the end of the line, the acolytes were given the tragic news that the Humm burger, with its coveted truffles, had sold out. But this was no deterrent. "We'll wait for the regular burger," the people exclaimed. And they continued to wait.

Through the cake line, now stretched across the entire southern length of the park, came a ripple of excitement. The chef himself! Dominique Ansel, creator of the cronut, master in the dark art of getting people to wait in ridiculous lines, walked through, meeting and greeting, pressing the flesh, posing for photos as if he were the Pope. Girls squealed with delight and clicked selfies.



A group of young German tourists sat on a park bench, watching the whole scene with their mouths hanging open in disbelief. "This is crazy," said the young man. "They wait six hours? For a burger? We don't do this is Germany." The young woman added, "We wait in line for a concert, but that's an hour only, and it's to see a show, something that lasts, with memories. This--eating a burger--it's for a few minutes and then it's over. I don't understand."

They shook their heads. The young woman asked, "These people in line are all tourists, right? New Yorkers would never do this."

"Unfortunately," I told them, "this is what New Yorkers do now."

They looked confused. They asked where they could get a good burger and I directed them to Old Town Bar, a few blocks away, where there are delicious burgers in a real New York setting--and no lines.


57 comments:

Anonymous said...

I'm going to defend my fellow New Yorkers here- 90% or more these Madison Sq Park people are tourists. It's summer- the ONLY people left in NYC are tourists. I should know- they all ask me for directions. I happily oblige :)

Elwood D Pennypacker said...

I waited on the long line once years ago - either I was unemployed, underemployed, or on a vacation day - I can't remember, it was that long ago.

But I did it because I was reading a big book and I figured it was a good way to get a lot of pages read. It was either the whole Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy or the Yiddish Policeman's Union.

It's a damn good burger. But it ain't Roll n Roaster.

Ted Heilman said...

Don't know about special burger but the regular food there is terrible (I gave it a few chances on slow days). The cluelessness of its fans was recently spotlighted by the mini furor that broke out when they switched from using the vilest form of mass-produced frozen fries to using unfrozen ones. It's success is a testament to the power of hype.

Anonymous said...

I guess Tourists are ok if they are German hope they dident stop to take a picture and clog up the sidewalk

Lexavline said...

Ah, Old Town! It's still a great place as long as you go before 5:)
Thanks for the lunch idea!

j said...

Is there one of these by the Natural History Museum? Last time I was in New York I saw a giant line for it and I assumed it was some famous local place and not a fast food chain. We have not been graced with this particular chain in the south (although we do have plenty of "Gourmet" burger chains).

laura r. said...

thank god you said that, anon 9:57. but somehow i may not agree 100%. dont under estimate the stupidity of people who live in NY. i found this post depressing never the less, no matter who the people are. it shows that you can dictate anything to people & they repeat & obey. you can take their $ AND make them wait for 6 hrs standing up like cattle. (sorry, cattle you didnt choose it). this is not about a burger its a social event. a very UN comfortable social event @ that. no mingling no cocktails, just stand while your feet hurt & be part of the herd. people have lost their self esteem, i have little respect for the mainstream.

Anonymous said...

" It's summer- the ONLY people left in NYC are tourists."

Ohhhhh, most NYers can afford to leave the city for the entire summer? Who are all these people I'm walking to work with then? I don't think it's that the people in line are tourists, it's that NYC residents are now comprised of glorified tourists. I grew up upstate and when my friends and I were old enough to venture to Manhattan on our own as teenagers in the early '90s we made sure to do as much as possible to not look like tourists. Some of that was for safety. Tourists were an easy target. But also, tourist was a real put down. I don't get what has happened to NYC. I don't get how 15 year old girls knew that tourist-y shit was tacky and unauthentic and to be avoided and now you have a population that somehow is able to afford these high rents while being so unsophisticated, uncultured and uncool.

Anonymous said...

As someone who is a huge USHG fan and is interning in Flatiron, I cannot fathom waiting in line for these "fancy" burgers. I did consider attempting to get the Humm burger yesterday but after seeing coverage of the lines, I was horrified.

Worst part of this whole thing by far is how people were willing to continue their wait for a regular shack burger. Which, again, I think is a good burger, but the regular lines are long enough...

Brendan said...

You mislead those Germans. There were at most a hundred New Yorkers waiting for the stupid burger among eight and half million who who would never do such thing. Perspective!

Anonymous said...

Sad and pathetic, foodie culture has hit the mainstream and fools will show how foolish they are by standing in a line for 6 hours. I am so fed up with stepping around tourists which even can be found roaming Avenue D these days looking for who the hell knows what. I use to be polite and friendly to them now if I even speak to them I ask them to go home.

Anonymous said...

It is getting harder and harder to enjoy something good in this city when you have to compete with millions of tourists which follow blogs about shopping, restaurants, etc... determined to "check it off their list" of must things to do. The last 10 years has seen our town be converted into a the #1 tourist destination in the world and we are all subject to the invasion year round with a very small percentage of us benefiting from any of it.

Dave -everywhere said...

I used to work in the Madison Park area and occasionally would go over to see if the Shake Shack line was short enough to grab something to eat but it never was. Recently we moved over to 8th Avenue and there is a Shake Shack near on 8th at 45th (I think). Also always mobbed. There are so many places in the city that can serve up a perfectly tasty burger with whatever toppings (and a frosty cold beer to boot!) that I can't understand why the lemmings stand in line for this place.

Anonymous said...

Really, really scary.


Would have been interesting to do a small study and ask people on line if they were registered to vote and voted (usually). Or if they had heard about what is happening in Iraq? Or if they had any concerns about workers stuck in low-wage fast food jobs?

Or if they were "too busy" to keep up with what is happening in the world.

caesarsghost said...

I wouldn't wait in line that long, but that's me. Is this really something to get angry about? I don't get the indignation. Sounds like these people were enjoying themselves, good for them. Their lives, not mine. Some of you call them sad or pathetic or cattle, but from reading the post and comments, it sounds like they're happier with their lives than you are.

Anonymous said...

I blame media. Specifically Gothamist, Curbed, Eater, Brownstoner, Greenpointers, Brokelyn, L Magazine, BK Magazine, New York Magazine.
If it weren't for them, tourists would do regular tourist stuff and grab food more randomly, lest for a couple "special" meals.
I bet population of this line is 75% tourist, 20% short term, transient New Yorkers, 5% real New Yorkers with eating disorders or other mental health issues.

King Ning said...

This is the expected result of New York being transformed into a giant fucking whimsical and magical theme park for the benefit of homesick, interloping,parentally subsidized, funemployed, playcationing urban explorering transplants who spent their early years wandering in mega-malls near their tract housing communities in the Midwest.

Waiting SIX hours in a line for what? Hamburgers?!? Really....To be honest, Shake Shack burgers aren't that good to warrant standing in a six hour line for. I've seen lines snaking outside of the Shake Shack in Fulton Mall. A better burger could be had at Mega Bites Diner , on Dekalb Avenue; and, you're not paying extra for the hype. Don't buy the B.S that these gomers aren't interested in being part of an event. Everything they do is centered around events. It's all part of the "Look at MEEEEE!" fix that these attention starved individuals crave.

The End of History said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onAdRbG63MY

Anonymous said...

All that unused potential. The only saving grace is that when the economy crashes (trust me, it will in a big time soon) all these people who feel so fortunate to have this time and money to waste, they will stand and cry at how much they wasted. Eat your burgers you fat cattle. Pathetic.

Ms. said...

I passed by, stopped a minute to check out what was going on, continued home for a meal to my liking. It's my neighborhood after all but not the one I knew, the new neighborhood where no neighbor resides, only business as usual. if it can be hyped, it will. The bottom line is cash and oblivion is it's master.

Renée M. said...

Don't forget, this is also "Sex and the City"'s fault. Remember what they started with the Magnolia Bakery. I agree with "anonymous" above who said that New Yorkers today are comprised mostly of glorified tourists. Even if they live here they're pseudo New Yorkers. They come here to "make the scene" and take part in anything that enhances their theme park experience of the place. But real New York? It can go under the wrecking ball for all they care. They're oblivious to it. Even contemptuous.

Anonymous said...

I wish people would sto using the term nyc when they mean Manhattan most NYC residents live elsewhere the only people left are tourists maybe in midtown I live in queens no tourists and lots of good mom and pop burgers delis etc

laura r. said...

anything w/the name "shake shack" is tacky, but let that go. the sick part is this: people waited on bread lines in the great depression & ww2, starving. people wait on line 4 hrs (@present) to get into supermarkets in central america. most arrive & see empty shelves as there is little left. douteful any of these folks would willingly subject themselves to this again unless they were facing starvation. now each to his own, its a free country do what you wish. this self inflicted pain is a sympton of boredom & decadence. they act as if they are having a good time, but the payoff is complaining the next day how much "pain their legs are in". its a badge of honor, its the "american way". no thanks, i like to be comfortable & keep it real.

Andrew Porter said...

Shake Shack is about to open at the corner of Old Fulton Street and Water Street, opposite the Brooklyn Bridge Park. At the next corner is Grimaldi's Pizaa, also a magnet for out-of-towners enduring an interminable wait for mediocre pizza.

What will happen when the two lines meet and collide? Critical mass, and an explosion, or confusion as two immovable objects meet? I dunno, but you won't find me on either line!

Ed said...

Actually the line is the whole point. Its in a park. You have an excuse for loitering in a park on a nice day. I don't know why people need an excuse to do this, but the burger you eventually get is pretty good too.

Ed said...

Yeah, the city's been pretty completely hollowed out, but I'm not sure if this is the best example of the process.

Anonymous said...

Excellent, devastating, post. Food writing never made me LESS hungery before!

Anonymous said...

caesarsghost--
Yes, the invaders are always happier than the invaded.

But invader happiness is not the measure of a great city.

Walter said...

"It's summer- the ONLY people left in NYC are tourists." One of the dumbest comments to ever have been posted here.

Anonymous said...

Anon 10:32 lets be real. The outer have their charms but NYC is manhattan. It is the historical center of art culture and commerce.

Tourists dont go to queens for the same reason they dont go to yonkers.

We may be overun with tourists but there is a reason for it.



Anonymous said...

to Laura r-people wait on lines for food at holy apostles soup on 9th Ave every day - people who think of lines being during the depression need to open their eyes - go to 31st and see the morning food line-its 200 people waiting in rain or freezing.cold.for a sandwich and coffee - NY tale of 2 cities

D. Berrios said...

People love Shake Shack. It is a popular business. It creates jobs. The line has tourists but also New Yorkers. If New Yorkers did not like the new businesses they would not patronize them. But they are heading to them. All over New York.

New York was a dangerous place in the 1970's and 1980's. It was so bad that there were over 2000 murders a year. Rudy Giuliani and Mike Bloomberg turned the city around. People want to live here now. Not run away. The city attracts new residents every day. This is not a bad thing but a good thing. More newcomers mean more jobs. New York is an economic engine again.

People like frozen yogurt. They like hamburgers. They like farm to table dining. They like the home made beer. They like the fresh seafood. They like things made here in New York. Why are people complaining when this is what people want? People want to be happy. Buying great hamburgers makes them happy. Why deny people their happiness?

tokosepatugrosir said...

I guess Tourists are ok if they are German hope they dident stop to take a picture and clog up the sidewalk. It's still a great place as long as you go before 5. right??? :D

Anonymous said...

D berrios, oh never mind....

Anonymous said...

Enjoy your burgers and your long lines if you want, but life is short. There are a great many other things to do with nice summer afternoons. I would suggest using one's time a little more wisely. But then again, I'm not a consumerbot..so what do I know.

Anonymous said...

"People love Shake Shack. It is a popular business. It creates jobs."

Oh I see, it's a good thing because it creates jobs. Who are these jobs good for? The people working them or the people who these employees serve?

Anonymous said...

I do just fine making my own hamburger from lean beef and sauteed potato slices made from one potato and cooked in vegetable oil. I put the burgers into gluten-free pita bread and I'm good to go :)

D

Anonymous said...

King Ning, couldnt have said it better myself.

Anonymous said...

Who gives a shit? So people want to wait in line for something.
Wow -- how 'un-New York'....although I've been waiting in lines in this town for all kinds of shit for 20+ years.
Give up the anger folks. Life sucks, boo hoo. Get over it.

Anonymous said...

People who live in NYC these days are tourists. Sadly they've all brought their dull, middle-class, chain store values with them and have managed to turn what used to be a unique and exciting city into a theme park version of a unique and exciting city.

No real New Yorker would have ever lined up for a designer hamburger, no way, no how.

drewjube said...

A few years ago, I moved to NYC for a job located at One Madison. I remember walking over to Madison Square Park the Sunday before I was to start work and stopping at Shake Shack to grab a bite with my family, thinking it was a convenient place right in the middle of a nice park. It was a cold, blustery day, so there was no line to speak of. I'm not a native New Yorker, so was ignorant to the cult of D. Meyer/Shake Shack and had no inkling this modest stand was such a _huge_ deal. Of course, that day was the last day I saw it without an inordinately long line and suffice to say I never ate there again, despite working a 30 second walk away. I don't know whether it's tourists, New Yorkers, or what, but whatever, far too much hype for a burger or "concrete" and not worth more than a five-minute wait in line. Flame away.

Glenn Belverio said...

For $8.50 you can get a huge meatloaf platter every Tues and Thurs at Eisenberg's diagonally across 5th ave from the Shit Shack. It's 100x better than SS's crap burgers and it goes without saying: no wait.

Anonymous said...

"New York was a dangerous place in the 1970's and 1980's. It was so bad that there were over 2000 murders a year. Rudy Giuliani and Mike Bloomberg turned the city around. People want to live here now. Not run away. The city attracts new residents every day. This is not a bad thing but a good thing. More newcomers mean more jobs. New York is an economic engine again."

@ D. Berrios - Indeed, it is an economic engine. The kind that has run rampant and now bulldozes everything that made this city unique during the time span you mention. As far as Giuliani and Bloomberg are concerned, it is the job of our elected officials, who, by the way, are PUBLIC officials, to strike a balance between safety and affordability for their citizens, not just newcomers. A cleaner, safer city should not be the privilege of a selected, ordained few, but the right of ALL the residents of the city they choose to live in. Our so-called PUBLIC officials have been so busy courting new money that they have neglected those that have been here for years and decades. And while you may consider yourself lucky to finally be able to reap the benefits of the years of struggling to survive those years between 1970-2000, remember there are those coming of age in this city that will never be able to do the same in this new nouveau riche, consumerist culture, and be forced to live elsewhere from the city they grew up in and grew to love. Native NYC's sons and daughters are now forced to make longer commutes to white-collar jobs that don't pay them nearly enough to live locally in the first place. Imagine those who have to serve those that wait on line at the Shake Shack, making practically minimum wage on the hour. Talk about denying people their happiness.

And bear in mind, for all the "privilege" that you now have living here for so long, in this day and age I am sure you are paying a lot more for it. Wake up and stop drinking the bureaucratic Kool-Aid. NYC has become a dystopia of sorts, with all the people walking around like humanoid zombies controlled by corporate culture and expensive smartphones while the real natives and citizens cries of injustice are shut out and unheard, ostracized by a culture of indifference, apathy, and inane popular lifestyle idiocy.

kkon said...

There are so many good burgers in nyc (corner bistro anyone?) why would anyone wait in line for shake shack? I had it once on an off hour and it was mediocre at best.

Anonymous said...

Thank you, Anon. @ 1:57 - you said it!

Anonymous said...

Anon 1:57, Thank you! One of the best summary comments I have ever read about the disgraceful changes that have taken place here over the last 10 or so years. Just to add to your comment, but not as articulately: F*ck all this shit!!! I can't believe the mighty New York City let this happen to itself! It *is* dystopia and it's ridiculous!

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Anon 1:57 wow you sure make a lot out of some tourists waiting for a burger- what are you so mad about? don't you have a rent controlled apt? spare us the drama - what does being a long time resident mean you are entitled to?cries of justice? NYC spends more money than most states and provides freebies you can't get elsewhere and the rich fund that - what are you angry about? the city got safer and cleaner and more popular Detroit might suit you better -

Anonymous said...

"Then a grizzled man appeared by the fountain...He held up the sign, Fracking = Death,... Despite what you may think, New York City is not a corporation... A park ranger quickly interrupted and forced him to be quiet and move along. Unlike the thousands of people in line, he wasn't blocking any traffic"

Of course he was told to move on...mindless consumption and status seeking through gourmet food wasn't on the agenda. This is what New York has become..doesn't matter what anyone says. Seems the only people who dispute this are the ones guilty of that same mindless consumption

Giovanni said...

The most interesting aspect about this little scene at the Shake Shack is what it tells us a lot about what the city, the culture, and the powers that be tolerate and embrace, and what they will not tolerate. They will tolerate and facilitate mile long lines of people willing to spend money on just about anything. They will not tolerate a single individual exercising free speech in ways that challenge the culture to think, or to change.

if people want to wait in line for hours so be it. When Star Wars came out, people waited in line all day to see it and every sequel. But this park and more and more of the city has turned into a corporate playground, full of rules and fences and park police who rigorously enforce the rules, all to the benefit of the corporate sponsors and real estate interests, but never to the individual protester, musician, performer, artist, poor person, or anyone else who doesn't fit in or "belong" there..

New York City isn't just losing buildings, businesses, stores and landmarks, its losing its character and sense of place, neighborhood and community. its also losing its cultural diversity. We used to have ethnic enclaves in every neighborhood. Now we have ethnic restaurants everywhere but it all feels so packaged, whitewashed, programmed.

Our public schools are the most segregated in the country. Even the foreign tourists don't add diversity, they just crowd everyone else out.

If tourism is creating so many great jobs, why are so many people who have lived here so long unable to afford the city now?

Jobs? They promised the same thing in Atlantic City when they bulldozed everything to bring in the casinos. It used to be a fun, quirky seaside town full of wonderful old-timey attractions, now its just a wall of hotels and casinos..As for the jobs, they flew or bussed people in for those, the locals got peanuts.

The City is starting to feel a lot like Atlantic City right before the bulldozers came in and buried it forever. Maybe we are too big for that to happen, or maybe its happening so fast we wont even realize it until we have vanished too.


Anonymous said...

"Anon 1:57 wow you sure make a lot out of some tourists waiting for a burger- what are you so mad about? don't you have a rent controlled apt? spare us the drama - what does being a long time resident mean you are entitled to?cries of justice? NYC spends more money than most states and provides freebies you can't get elsewhere and the rich fund that - what are you angry about? the city got safer and cleaner and more popular Detroit might suit you better -"

Excuse me..'Freebies'? What 'freebies' are you talking about exactly? In case you forgot, this is New York City. NOTHING is free. Yeah...'the rich' are giving out 'freebies'. Gee...how did I miss all that generosity that is supposedly happening on the streets of the city. You like wasting time on long lines for so-called 'gourmet' food, well good luck to you. Don't forget to order that large Kool-Aid that everyone else is drinking to wash it down with.

Anonymous said...

Anon @8:22 PM - You are exactly the kind of soulless, mechanical humanoid that I spoke about in my earlier post.

You, lost in your sparkly world of dancing pink sugar cupcakes, spewing fro-yo, of artisanal rawhide burgers and gelato ice cubes, easily forget that it’s the long-time residents that, for a full century, created the town that you doubtless dreamt about while living in some no-name hick county. You and your spoiled kind robotically spew the same kind of regurgitated arrogant and unsupported nonsense that you think rationalizes the lack of class and character your money is never able to buy.

“NYC spends more money than most states and provides freebies you can't get elsewhere and the rich fund that”

NYC does have “freebies”. Here are some of them:

That shiny new poorly constructed glass condo/rental you live in – it doesn’t pay any taxes thanks to the NYC’s 421A Plan. You know who subsidizes your fancy digs? Average NYC taxpayers, many of whom have lived here longer and are probably much older than you. The rent-controlled units they live in, as well as older rentals that have been deregulated and put back into the market, shoulder the burden of the tax cost that your box of magnifying glass wouldn’t endure if it was forced to pay its municipal share. 421A has allowed real-estate developers to raise these lackluster eyesores and cut code corners, spurred on by City Hall’s abuse of eminent domain. This destroyed hundreds of small businesses and threw families into shelters who couldn’t afford to move out of the city. I’m sure when the next super storm hits, your glass box will be of little comfort to you when it pulverizes.

Those fro-yo /cupcake pop-up boutiques and organic food chains that you children squee so much about (I don’t care how old you are, you should grow up); they don’t pay any taxes either, thanks to NYC raising taxes on small businesses 27 percent, according to IRS data. Thanks to our unethical officials in Albany, millions of dollars in tax breaks to big businesses have now become the burden of the local residents and small businesses (what’s left of them). This city is losing its pensions, its education system, and its basic public services are eroding, all in order to keep your vain, utterly tasteless lifestyle afloat.

The rich DO fund something- they fund the pockets of the politicians whose ambitions are directly aligned towards giving them more than they deserve, seizing once public properties and pass them on to privately funded institutions. The charter school debacle, now allowed to run unchecked thanks to Albany, is a perfect example of this. All of NYC is one hyped-up corporate hoopla machine, run by Big Business, supported by a corrupt bankrolled administration, and you are one of its drones. Nothing is more dystopian than that.

Bitter about rent-controlled apartments, are you? I wonder if you would have had the guts to come to NYC 20 or 35 years ago, when we had problems like any large metropolis (like Chicago, Newark, Detroit, Los Angeles), yet NYC was also filled with decent working and middle class people, along with our artists and our homegrown wealthy, all of whom shared pride in NYC and contributed something of value to everyone’s daily lives. I don’t think you were even born yet, or if you were your cowardice didn’t allow you to get a taste of what big bad city life was REALLY like. You and your humanoid ilk just wait for others to make the grass greener so you can come in, claim it as your own and deplete all the resources, since you lack any real spirit to create anything of value. I’m sure when Detroit inevitably become the next ‘’It’ place you and your lot will go and destroy it with your irrational need for social cachet and vapid pretention. And you have the nerve to wonder why people are angry at you.

Enjoy your sugar-high dystopia while it lasts sucker, because when the inevitable market crash comes and you join the rest of us down here in the real world, you will be the ones left wondering why the government isn’t doing YOU any favors.

Anonymous said...

Anon 1:16pm: am generally sympathetic to the causes on this blog, but in NO WAY do rent controlled apartments "shoulder the burden of tax costs"; rather, they represent a major government subsidy to select private individuals, about as regressive of tax as possible and, if occupied by those other than legitimately means-tested designated occupants, represent an immoral taking of the public dollar by the individuals who are illegally occupying these units. And you can bet, the family business you claim to love, are disgusted by this graft: the mom & pops who've folded up in the past two decades were often the purveyors of rent controlled units, and ran for the exits (ie Florida) with a nice check the moment out-of-town money came around (money too stupid to know what grifters many rent controlled tenants are at this point) because they were sick of taking the losses and dealing with the shit of people who believe they are entitled to rent an apartment in Manhattan for 1/10th the rate of anyone.

Anonymous said...

The problem is, the NYC tax code is a problem for everyone who tries to do business here. Its outdated. Small businesses, large businesses, rent control(does that even exist anymore?), rent stabilized, whatever...everyone is getting abused in someway. The rich for having more money, the poor for having no money, the working class for not knowing if they are either rich or poor. They should abolish the whole tax code system and lawmakers should just rewrite the whole damn thing, but then everyone would be screaming they're not getting their "fair share", whatever that is. NYC has spoiled everyone.

You can't please everybody, and when you try to be fair you wind up pleasing no one.

Anonymous said...

to anonmymous june 18, 2014 at 1:16pm- im ananonymous @ 8:22- interesting post-let me just make a couple points- as a 44yo native born lifelong nyc resident (except for 4yrs of college upstate)calling me "humanoid" or referring to my supposed 'cowardice' makes me wonder how this got approved. Anyway I stand by my point that tourists getting burgers doesn't bother me. I don't know if you are a native or transplant but it doesn't matter. Your freebies include the discounted rent you feel entitled to for life. As a coop OWNER I just think its bad public policy when so many apts are never vacant. I also wonder how many are lying about their income/assets to keep these places. FYI I was born and grew up in Inwood/Wash heights in the 1970s (the son of irish immigrants) so spare me the "I moved here when it was rough speech". Its kinda sad that so many people allow themselves to become dependent on rent stabilization and the rent guidelines board. Also remember to blame all the wonderful nonprofits and churches and others who gladly cashed in and lined their pockets by selling their property. As far as families not being able to afford to move out of the city- I know that the city will fly folks in the shelter system to another town if they have family there to help them. Of course the fact that the shelters are filled with single black moms is another issue altogether. Basically you made a lot of incorrect assumptions and insulted me. Finally what is a froyo? Have a nice day

Anonymous said...

You are mistaken about me too. I am also from NYC, born and bred. I do not/did not live in a rent-controlled/rent-stabilized apartment. 5 years ago my building was sold to a real estate investment company and when it came time for lease renewal my rent shot up and I moved to Jersey. I'm too old for roommates. My commute to work is now an hour and a half instead of the 45 minutes I enjoyed before. Do I think that's fair? Absolutely not.

You may not be the condo-living, artisanal hipster consumer I described, but your insensitive and judgmental attitude puts you in the same category as the rest of the apathetic individuals that invade this city. So you have a coop-goody for you. You bought a share in a corporation; why the hell are you coming down on renters?

You say you are insulted. That is your own fault. I called you a humanoid; I could have called you worse. I could have called you a Yunnie, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt by thinking you did not have a narcissistic disorder. I believe, however, I may be wrong about that. Telling people to go to Detroit? NYC is handing out freebies? Insinuating that people who are on rent-control are all taking advantage? Do you make it a habit to go on comment boards and telling them to get out of town? Especially on a blog such as this, where people are clearly disgusted with the superficiality that is going on around them; did you not expect to get insulted? You threw the first punch. It was returned in kind.

I return you now to your lot. The only one apparently with an entitled attitude here is you, acting as if buying a share in a corporation entitles you to look your nose down upon others. You project your entitled attitude onto others then claim they're the problem...a sign of narcissism. Also, if you wanted to be "spared the drama" you wouldn't be coming here looking for the attention...another sign of narcissism. Clearly something is amiss. Have a nice life.

Anonymous said...

Now I understand- you had to move to jersey -sorry about your new commmute- too bad about your rent-bad deal for you- are coops bad because its a corporation? Is working and saving and planning bad? When you come for nothing and make something through years of work it can be aggrivating to listen to complaints- your response was to move to jersey - that isn't fair? Are you 5 years old? I didn' complain I did what nyers do I worked and took care of business I also support local businesses I don't go to chains anyway good luck to you in your endeavors

Steve said...

I'd like to think that if I still lived in NY I'd just go Cozy instead of waiting in a line like that (is Cozy Soup and Burger still there?). We got priced out once we started a family in the late nineties. DC was cheap compared to NY, and pay was better. I miss NY, but my line of work doesn't pay enough to raise a family there.